Great People in the Hereafter
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Date: Posted 6 years before Dec 07, 2018
MiBeloved 6 years ago
This is from some inquiries on LinkedIn:
Q1 What happens to people like Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi who had so many lovers on earth? Is there anybody to greet them after their death in astral world?
MiBeloved's Response:
We should assume that such great souls (mahatmas) would be greeted by angelic beings in the least but we should also take into account the interest, the primal interest of these people. What was Mother Teresa’s primal interest? Was it Jesus Christ? Was it service on earth in the name of Jesus Christ? Was it rendering help to unfortunate human beings?
For Mahatma Gandhi, was it the independence of India? Was it to improve the social conditions of the outcasts segments of the citizens? Was it to make sure he influenced people in his definition of non-violence? What was the most frequent subject which ran through his mind and for which he dedicated himself after he left South Africa?
Whosoever meets one at the time of death, may not succeed in taking one to the heavens if one has some other primary interest.
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Q2 Ajamil: scriptures say that Ajamil was saved by God's police and was taken to God's abode (Super heaven). You are telling something different. Are scriptures wrong here?
MiBeloved's Response:
This depends on which scripture you are reading or if you heard that from an authority who was all too eager to prove the point that if one chants the name of God at the end, one will go to God’s world.
As far as I know the devil (not God) is in the fine print and if you fail to read that, then you will run away with a very cheap appraisal, then you will build your hopes and be disappointed when you leave the body, because you would have followed a cheap and very untrue assessment of what really happens.
Ajamil was saved by the divine people only from having to go an astral hellish region. He was not saved from rebirth. He did not immediately go to the divine region. In fact Ajamil took another body at Haridvar (?), and because he was rescued by the divine people in that life as Ajamil, he seriously repented for his actions, reformed himself in that life and then at the end of that other life, he did go to the divine region.
However don’t take my word for it. Check the Puranas very carefully for the details. Avoid purports and stories from Acharyas who are selling the bhakti path and the holy name path cheaply and tricking many devotees into false expectations.
Scriptures cannot be wrong if they were written by Vyasa in fact or by Valmiki, but other scriptures might be spurious and for sure. Many teachers and Acharyas using these scriptures are all too eager to leave out the fine print. Some of them just do not know the fine print because they never did bother to check for it.
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Q3. Krishna's devotees are taken to Krishna's abode. Krishna is God. How are they treated? Scriptures say that they enjoy Krishna's abode -- that is very very good.
MiBeloved's Response:
No doubt that Krishna’s devotees are taken to Krishna’s abode but the question is when?
How long did it take for Pururava to get to Krishna’s abode?
What is required of these devotees for them to qualify for the transit to Krishna’s abode?
When Muchukunda Maharaja begged Krishna to go to the divine world, Krishna looked him over and said he was not pure enough to go there and that he had to do austerities to get himself in order, and this is even though the guy performed tons of what we call devotional service, seva, both on earth and in the Swarga heavenly places. So you know about Krishna, so maybe you can explain all this to us.
Bharat, son of Rishabha, took deer body and then body as a non-cooperative brahmin yogi and then got to Krishna’s abode.
Why all those bodies? Why even though he was the son of an incarnation of Krishna, he had to take other bodies?
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Narendra asked:
I like to ask one more question. I have heard from many different sources that sex change happen very rarely. Woman may become female dog, female cat but very difficult to become man, male dog or cat, and vice versa. Then I coined my own theory which may be wrong or right. Woman who want to be man take birth as man but they have nature of woman. So basically such man are woman in man's body and vice versa.
After death, does sex play any part?
MiBeloved's Response:
I am not sure what you are driving at but I can say this much. Since you are an Indian, there is a rich source of information in the Puranas on this. In fact in the Mahabharata, when Bhishma said that he would not kill Shikhandin, Duryodhana did not like that statement.
He questioned his old uncle about it, and Bhishma explained that Shikhandin was born as a woman and had a sex change and most of all that in the past life, Shikhandin was a very attractive woman in a royal family in India.
According to the narration, in the previous life as Princess Amba, Shikhandin bore a grudge against Bhishma and did tapasya to get an interview with Lord Shiva, who permitted that she would take a male body in the next life and kill Bhishma.
According to the Mahabharata, this actually happened.
Another episode which is of interest and which few people know of, is that of Arjuna, the same Arjuna of the Bhagavad Gita. He was actually a mahayogin before the battle of Kurukshetra occurred. Once when he left his body in samadhi on earth, he went to the Swarga heavenly place, and there an angelic woman who was to our standards of beauty and power, a goddess, tried to seduce Arjuna.
He objected to the woman’s invitations for sexual union and she cursed him to be a sexless man on his return to the earth.
The curse took effect when Arjuna returned to his body on earth, but it was for a limited duration and so he became known as Brhannala, a eunuch or a man without sexual potency.
Nowadays we fix such situations by taking Viagra. How things have changed eh?
In the story about Shikhandin who was born as a woman, there is also the case of the person who helped her to become a man by mystic power to change the sex. But the person who was a supernatural entity did it on the basis of having his gender exchanged for that of the female Shikhandin. That person was the sub-devata known as Stunakarna.
Perhaps the Puranas is the place to go to get more information about how one changes sex from male to female and vice versa.
I am not here to sell books but if you are interested I discussed some of this in my book which is at this link:
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Narendra,
In the Puranas, the moon is considered to be a higher planet. In the Puranas also up is towards the North Pole which is confirmed by modern astronomy in terms of the way the galaxy we are in is situated.
Regarding being under the water, it is hard to comment on that unless you gave a source.
One thing is that if it means being in the aquatic species, that is a lower situation than being a human being and also being a developed mammal like a primate.
Common sense tells us that without water, there would be no developed life. And that suggests that the aquatic situation pre-dates the land animals. In the list of avatars of Vishnu, we see that Matsya (Fish) and Kurma (Tortoise) then Varaha (Boar). This sequence is from aquatic to semi aquatic to land mammal. So we may take that to mean that life first began in the sea and then gradually over millions of years, there was progression of the life forms to land. And most of all, that God was there through the whole process and was observant of it.
So the oceans are primal in that sense but also hellish because of the restriction imposed by the environment which made it necessary to come up on the land, to develop further.
