Dream of psychic abilities

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Date: Posted 6 years before Nov 05, 2018

unlimitedsun 6 years ago

Master Beloved,

Please expand upon the correlation between dream recall as well as dream awareness and psychic ability or perception.

Thank you.

Surya

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Dream recall is the most basic type of psychic perception. These fall into two major groups which are:

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· Imagination which is perceived visually in mind

· Actual astral experiences which are perceived using the eyes of the subtle body or any other of the subtle body’s perception equipment

Imagination is imagination which is what is created within the mind and which is not part of a shared reality on a broad basis. But there are two types of imaginations essentially. These are:

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· Imagination created by the mechanism of the mind irrespective of deliberate mental actions of the person concerned.

· Imagination created deliberately by an instruction given to the mind by the person concerned.

Both types are powerful and can move the person concerned. There may also be a mixed imagination which is a combination of the two categories given above.

When an imagination happens during sleep, it is a dream within the mind of the person concerned and it has little or nothing to do with real astral reality. The first thing one has to accept is that there is astral reality, just as there is physical reality. And just as in the physical world one can imagine something which the laws of nature will not recognize or support, so in the astral world one might imagine something which the astral reality just does not respond to.

Dream recall is the beginning stage of astral perception. However one should not be fooled into thinking that whatever is astral is illusion or is just imagination. And all the same one should not think that whatever is experienced in a dream is astral reality necessarily. It may or may not be.

By repeated practice, one can learn how to judge as to whether an astral experience is imagination or astral history. There need not be anyone else involved. It is not about proving anything to anyone. The person who requires the proof is you. And that is the beginning and ending of it.

You have taken a body or you found yourself alive in this world in a body, and gradually from infancy you developed a way of judging what was in your mind merely and what was in the physical world as its reality. This you did gradually over a period of years. Therefore now do the same thing with the dream experience.

Don’t let a skeptic run you up a tree with statements that you cannot really tell which is which. Stay away from that kind of association. Instead keep a journal of your dream experiences, pay attention in your dreams and over time you will develop a way of sorting its illusions and realities, just as you had to come to terms in the same way with what you imagined about physical life and what physical life really was.

It boils down to one statement:

Pay attention to your dreams.

Pay attention to whatever happens when your body is about to enter sleep mode, and when it is about to rise from sleep mode. Pay attention to the psychic workings of your psyche.

There is only one person involved here and that is you. Take care about yourself and watch to see how your psyche is affected by whatever you encounter physically or astrally and even in your imagination.

There are many aspects in the world which are both dangerous and very useful simultaneously. Take a knife for instance, it can be a dangerous weapon but it is a very useful tool and has served humanity and even primitive humanity who used it in the form of chiseled stone implements.

The imagination can be very misleading but listen to this:

It is also the highest perception tool that a limited entity has in the psyche, except for that entity itself. The imagination perception tool is higher even than the third eye. It is called buddhi in Sanskrit.

Do yourself a favor will you and also perhaps help us to complete the mission of this meditationtime forum by researching in your mid to see if the place where you imagine ideas is the same place where you conduct reasoning. Report back to us about this. Let us know if you discover that those two functions occur at different locations in the mind.

Jettins 6 years ago

What an excellent post!

unlimitedsun 6 years ago

Answering assignment:

I conduct reasoning in the frontal zone.

Imagination is much more diffuse, not easily localized.

When I imagine a nice melody I feel that my ears are "turned on", they are involved; when I imagine a nice savory meal (from memory) I salivate, my sense of taste is triggered. So I believe that imagination is very intimately related to the senses.

Subsequently in my mind, when imagination is happening during meditation it is not confined to one area, it is as though my awareness get pulled in different areas of the mind house turning it into a ping pong table.

Reasoning on the other hand is focused or its purpose is defeated, and is deliberate more often than not.

During meditation I previously would only passively be present in the naad, at the back zone of the mind. My sessions were rather unyielding and riddled with thoughts of reasoning as well as imagination. I now realize that engaging some activity in the frontal zone provides me with a more focused session.

While present in naad in the back and simultaneously engaging the visual apparatus (in the quest for naad light) there is enough busi-ness so that there is not much room left for wandering into imagination or reasoning.

In addition, because of being in the frontal zone I naturally become aware of the breath (as in breathing pattern/rythm), another solid anchor into stillness/steadiness I find.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

unlimitedsun wrote:

In addition, because of being in the frontal zone I naturally become aware of the breath (as in breathing pattern/rythm), another solid anchor into stillness/steadiness I find.

MiBeloved's Response:

These methods like breath and so on are props. If you find these as necessary use them, but know for sure that these are not part of higher practice. In higher practice there are no props for support in the effort to control the formulation of thoughts.

If you do not consider this deeply you will remain as a wishy washy yogi forever. The question to answer is that if you are the core-self then why are you having to always have a prop to support you before you can gain control of the psyche.

This question is not a challenge because if the fact is that as the core-self you just do not have that power, then that is okay, that itself is self-realization about who you really are.

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unlimitedsun wrote:

I conduct reasoning in the frontal zone.

Imagination is much more diffuse, not easily localized.

MiBeloved's Response:

When the meditation teachers give an assignment, you take it seriously; you don’t send back reports saying that it is not easily localized. It is not a whimsical assignment. Your spiritual life depends on it. It is more important than having sex with your girlfriend. Don’t handle it as if it is nothing.

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unlimitedsun wrote:

Reasoning on the other hand is focused or its purpose is defeated, and is deliberate more often than not.

MiBeloved's Response:

This is a fair report but it shows how you see meditation as some side feature and at times as something which is a novelty. Please abandon this attitude.

Reasoning is easier to pinpoint not because it is deliberate as you say but due to the fact that to do it, one only requires the intellect and some facts, conclusions or speculations. Because only that is involved it is simple and easier to define and locate.

Your conclusion that it is located in the frontal part is correct. So accept from me now that the intellect or buddhi in Sanskrit, is located in the front part of the subtle head. You cannot perceive it as a psychic organ just yet, but take my word for it, that it is a psychic organ which is situated somewhere midway between the core-self and the third eye. Remember this in the future when we hold these conversations. Keep this in mind during meditation. If we know where the nuisance mouse is located, we can plan how to kill it.

Ultimately for completing Patanjali yoga, this intellect has to be shut down.

With imagination things are more complicated. It is like if a car is idle, then you can get out open the hood and observe the moving fan belt, hear the rubble of the engine and so on. This is like reasoning but with imagination, it is like you are in a jet aircraft and I ask you where from which engine, a particular sound is coming.

If there are four engines, which one is it?

So that is not that simply. For one thing you cannot get outside to get near to each engine to listen one by one and then figure it out. So imagination is complicated because senses and sensual energies are involved. These are processed but by what?

This investigation requires much more insight and sensitivity, that is a fact.

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