Dismounting from the Horse
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before May 26, 2016
MiBeloved 3 years ago
This morning on the astral planets, Srila Yogesh lectured on what he called “Dismounting from the Horse” and doing so permanently, not jumping back on as soon as one realizes the extra work one has to do if one is not allowed to use the horse.
This horse is the buddhi intellect orb.
What can one do without it?
Can one exist without the intellect functioning in so many ways to calculate how one should move through this existence?
What meditation practice would cause one to permanently be disconnected from the intellect? The achievement of that is called kevalam or kaivalyam by Patanjali, a state of alone-ness, a state of being without the seemingly necessary psychic adjuncts.
For completion of the second sutra from Patanjali’s course on yoga, yogah cittavritti nirodhah, one has to dismount the horse, get rid of the organ which produces a relationship between the core-self and the vrittis.
If one is not linked to the intellect the vrittis have no connection with the core-self. It becomes free from those influences. Question remains though as to if the self can go on without the benefits of those influences. Some aspects of the adjuncts are beneficial to the self.
Can the self objectify the intellect, perceiving it as a psychic object?
unlimitedsun 3 years ago
In the end order needs to be established within. Each must only assume their proper function and stop overstepping their boundaries or shying from assuming their role. So the self would have to objectify the intellect. Self must dissociate itself from the intellect. The intellect should not be expected to conduct its purpose and that of the self, at the same time aim at the best outcome. It has never done it before.
The intellect in turn will keep the senses in line and not indiscriminately internalize what they consider. This decision of the core-self will also affect the life force, as it will won't be getting its way either. Can the core-self deal with that? The price of the responsibility of this rulership it seems is isolation (kevalam). But in this way the core-self can have enough control to realize its goal of reclaiming its original position.
Marcia Beloved 3 years ago
Mibeloved wrote: Question remains though as to if the self can go on without the benefits of those influences. Some aspects of the adjuncts are beneficial to the self.
Marica Beloved’s Response:
Sounds like the implication here is to realize that the core self has no actual significance or permanent place in this earthly existence. A further implication is to realize that NONE of the adjuncts are factually beneficial to the core self.
So long as one remains "attached" to duty in the mundane existence, one will inevitably "jump back on the horse" and relish in utilizing the intellect. In this mood, one perceives oneself to be absolutely essential to the affairs of this world.
Mibeloved asked: Can the self objectify the intellect, perceiving it as a psychic object?
Marica Beloved’s Response:
I believe it is possible but only when complete detachment is attained by isolating the core self from the adjuncts by however one can achieve this.
Having not reached this lofty stage as yet, I cannot give firsthand experience. This may disqualify my views already!
But isn't this what is meant as knowing that material nature is the DOER of all of one's mundane actions?
The core self, being severed from all the adjuncts, would just watch as nature acts through the physical and subtle body to which the core self is presently assigned to.
At this point the actions, being performed and orchestrated solely by nature, would no longer have consequences. And upon the death of the physical body, the core self would not have affinity for acquiring another.
Having thus attained an existence as a bare core self, I have no idea what would happen next!
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Marica Beloved Wrote:
But isn't this what is meant as knowing that material nature is the DOER of all of one's mundane actions?
MiBeloved’s Clarification:
Material nature as the doer has a hypnotic influence over the intellect, the senses and the life force. The adjuncts are responsive to material nature more than they are to the core-self and this will never change, except that on a higher level of the same material nature, the adjuncts acts in a way which is more favorable to the core-self.
Material nature, in the highest mode, is less and less of a negative influence in the short or long term. This is why in the Gita, Krishna advises that one should move into the highest mode of sattva guna, abandoning the lower ones of passionate enthusiasm (rajas) and dulling consciousness (tamas).
On a daily basis we are confronted with these three influences. Upon awaking from sleep we pass through the lowest, then the median and then into highest mode partially.
By introspective examination one can begin to study these three influences and their effects and then come to an understanding of the situation.
