Dimensional Lock-Down
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 6 years before Sep 08, 2018
MiBeloved 6 years ago
The focus we maintain during the physical life remains with us in the afterlife. There will be no rash or sudden change in that focus merely because of the death of the physical body.
If one hopes to go to a spiritual place or some nice hereafter fantasy location after death, that might just happen for an instant but soon after the usual focus on the material existence will resume with the same force as before.
I am regularly seeing night after night, persons who are deceased and who are living now for the time being in the astral existence on a level which is adjacent to this earthly place. Some of these people were religious officials, some were just ordinary people without any firm belief and they are all doing exactly what they did before and are trying their best to be interested in the material side of existence.
Even though they are gone over to the other side, their interest remains in this world and they are eager to know what is happening on this side. They want to discuss life on this side and share opinions about what is going on here.
The way this thing works is that as soon as one looses a body, one becomes determined to again come back into the world to be part of its history. It is like one envies those persons who are living because they have some part to play in the fold out of the history of the earth, and one was deprived of that by loss of a body.
There is a whole range of existence in the astral world, both upper astral heavens and lower astral hellish places, as well as lower astral enjoyment places, and still a person who departs from the physical body will usually not perceive those places but will instead just pick up on information coming from the minds of the physical beings in this world.
This is like have a radio which picks up channels from certain limited frequencies only. Unless one secures a footing in the higher astral dimensions before leaving the body, it is hardly likely that one will be going to such places or will tune in to such places after leaving the body at death.
In a sense the astral world has what might be called dimensional lock-downs, just as there are people living on this planet who are restricted in high security prisons. Prisoners are on this planet, and yet they are not free to go here and there and see this or that. They can only see the concrete and steel facilities where they are confined in prison.
Persons who are meditating should also consider that even though one might reach some state in the mind, still one must again come out into this physical environment and function here, and if one does not behave in a way which is amenable to society, one will be arrested and will have to meditate in a prison. The same type of situation will be there in the astral world hereafter, where one will have to be in an environment and where one will be limited in that environment unless one can relocate to a higher astral plane. How will one do that hereafter if one is not doing that now?
At this time one can meditate and then one has to come out back into the physical world and play the society game and the same thing will apply in the hereafter. This means that simply meditating in the mind does not solve the situation of the environment where one has to function in a society as a mandatory feature. To believe that astrally one will not have to function in an environment is totally unscientific but it is a good way to feel good about one’s meditation habit at this time.
Dean 6 years ago
Michael wrote:
There is a whole range of existence in the astral world, both upper astral heavens and lower astral hellish places, as well as lower astral enjoyment places, and still a person who departs from the physical body will usually not perceive those places but will instead just pick up on information coming from the minds of the physical beings in this world.
Dean's question:
If you are fortunate or unfortunate to relocate to one of these astral levels after departing from the physical body, is your subtle body instinctively aware of the "proper" or "acceptable" behavior for that particular level of existence?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
The subtle body will do whatever it can get away with. That is its nature. It will push the limits to express itself under free will. In other words, in this world, if I go into a shop, I will hesitate to shoplift but in the astral world there is no hesitation usually, and one does whatever one feels one can get away with.
However if one has implanted certain moral behaviors in the subtle body during the earthly life, those reforms will surface to keep the subtle body from behaving in a totally careless and free way.
People do not develop moral behaviors in the astral world. It is either they have it or they don’t. There is no opportunity to develop that there as there is here. So in the Anu Gita*, this place is called the world of social action in which one can develop behaviors that ultimately benefit one and all.
We cannot rely on the subtle body to do what is conducive to our well being, because that body is careless and is not concerned with anything but immediate fulfillments. Suppose I meet a very attractive woman and luckily she falls in love with me, then naturally the course will be that I will have sexual intercourse with her, but while that is happening, I won’t be thinking about the pregnancy which may occur as a result.
Similarly, actions in the subtle world are spontaneous and careless without regard for the long ranged implication of these behaviors. So that is the danger on the subtle side.
A yogi can however train the subtle body to have the long-ranged perspective but he or she must do that while using a physical body. If you have a kite in the air and if you tie a ribbon to it and hang a weight, you will find that the kite remains stable in the sky in the wind. But if you raise that kite and do not put a ribbon with a weight on it, the kite will be doing all sorts of numbers even to the extent that it will make a big scoop and crash into the ground.
So the subtle body needs a physical system to balance and stabilize it like the kite needing the weight hanging from it.
A material body is a sure pain-in-the-neck, of that you can be certain. But it has a great value in that it can help us to bring the permissive sensually-craved subtle form under control.
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*http://www.michaelbeloved.com/anu-gita-explained
Dear Beloved 6 years ago
Yes, mental training and behavior physically definitely impacts the subtle body's actions. I've found a direct correlation in the subtle body. If I have an ingrained tendency to be honest there, that usually translates over the subtle body also being honest and vice versa. And once you have identified a tendency you don't like in your dreams or subtle body's actions, you can take corrective steps physically and over time it will manifest in the subtle body.
