Desires in the Astral World

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Date: Posted 6 years before Oct 30, 2018

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Last night I had two encounters with a person who was involved with an ashram where I used to stay some years ago. This person is practically speaking on his death bed, due to terminal diseases which afflicts his body.

Over and over in the experience, he was trying to convince some other friends and myself to join him in forming an ashram for children, where children would be educated in the manner prescribed by his guru.

This type of astral experiences reveals the power of desire, especially of unfulfilled desires, unfulfilled desires for life in the material world. It does not matter if one is an atheist or theist in this regard. If one has this intent on doing something, on achieving something in the material world, one will carry that desire to the afterlife and will live there just as if one was in the physical world, trying to fulfill that desires and harassing others about it.

Then over time one will again get an embryo, and when it develops into an adult body, one will repeat the same history of trying to create the desired physical circumstance. One will exert oneself in motivating others to bring about that achievement on the physical plane of life.

The atheist will return to the world, and will build an institution or movement for supporting that cause. The theist will return to build a religious society for his cause.

Which is better?

It is a question not to be answered except in seeing that in both cases, the belief is the material world. The atheist is interested only in accomplishments for physical existence. The theist, despite a belief in the supernatural, is also focused primarily down into the material world.

Both the theist and the atheist are lacking one thing which is focus beyond what is physical. Both are obsessed with the physical reality and use their specific convictions to reinforce that.

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins Reply:

Does this mean that the best thing to do while still in the physical is learn to unfocus from the material world and to detach ourselves in from it?

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MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins Reply:

Most people seem to be obsessed with physical things if you ask me. But what about people like me that don't want to return to this physical existence, what happens to us after we die? I know it's a big question, but a fascinating one. Is there a process that can be understood ahead of time regarding this? I have my own ideas, but I like to learn what others think.

I'm not convinced with the Christian literature and the meeting with a being of light as in near-death experiences. I think that only happens to those that didn't die. Usually these near-death experiences are experienced by those who are unfamiliar with nonphysical states, so it would make sense to me that whatever guiding force makes its presence will make a significant and memorable experience to remember as it might only have one chance. I'm not saying that this encounter will never happen after permanent physical death, what I'm saying is I don't think it happens right away. There might be a process before meeting with this being I do not know. I would really like to know what yogis with experience in nonphysical states have learned during powerful NDE episodes. If you can refer me to the literature, I'll like to read it.

In experience #405 from November 28, 2011 called "I want to understand the universe". I became lucid while floating in a black void. I had the sense of being in the universe so ask myself," I want to understand the universe", then suddenly I feel the sense of being accelerated towards a point in the distance. I see points of light moving past fast like in the movie Star Wars when the spaceships accelerate faster than light.

I regain awareness in the body of what appeared to be a three-year-old boy then a big person walks in the room probably my mother coming to hold me. I screamed: nooooooooooooooooo not here again, I don't want to go through this again. I woke up. I wonder why when asking to understand the universe I experience what appeared to be a reincarnation cycle. Maybe it means that the secrets of the universe are whatever we make it to be but for this we cannot stop learning. Or maybe it means: nice try, but it’s not as easy as that, try again in a new body”. Horrible.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins Reply:

Does this mean that the best thing to do while still in the physical is learn to unfocus from the material world and to detach ourselves in from it?

MiBeloved's Response:

It implies that because we are only here for 100 years max, does it make sense to place your faith in 100 years out of billions in which the galaxies exist? Unless there is life beyond death, just to live and do something and leave a legacy behind for humanity does not add up to much.

It is really funny when I speak to people who have no idea about reincarnation and who are not interested in it., These people say they are interested in what is happening now and don’t care about the future. To them that is the best course, but that is crazy as far as I am concerned. Why care about now if you are only going to be here for 100 years and then you will be finished even if what you leave behind will be used for the benefit of humanity.

What sort of logic is that, because this humanity you are talking about is a myth in the sense that none of them can remain here beyond 100 years and then they will be in the same dead end of becoming nothing after that.

Then ultimately the whole history of the earth will be mothballed when the earth gets closer to the sun and is fried to nothingness.

Whatever we are doing for any benefit, selfishly or unselfishly, only makes sense if there is going to be some other life where we can invest what we gained from it. Human beings are working for the future because they have no choice but to do so because that is the instinct in human nature. We improve and improve to improve on our present condition. Look at these guys who tout the NOW, people like Tolle and Chopra. Every one of these guys is into improving what they have and getting more income to situate their families in better economic status.

Why is this?

Why do they endeavor for money and popularity, prominence? It is because despite their philosophical rap, they have failed to budge the basic instinct which is to work for a better future. Nature is driving the effort and no one can stop nature from doing that even with the highest sounding philosophy.

We cannot stay here because of the limited duration of these bodies. Therefore it makes sense to focus on our future condition, and the immediate future is the astral world.

Homo sapiens mean that this creature has figured that if it does not look ahead and prepare for the future, it will be at a disadvantage. The people of the Incas had prophesies which accurately depicted how they would meet with the Europeans but they had no idea how to prepare for that and so their civilization was vanquished by the invaders.

If your future is the astral world, then why are you not preparing for it? Take my situation in a body which is now 61 year of age. What have I to look forward to except death and astral existence hereafter? Since that is the case as far as I am concerned, I would be stupid and short sighted to keep focusing on material existence.

In this respect we got a nice instruction from Jesus Christ, Lord that He is, to the effect that one should not store up treasures where moth and rust will destroy it. This is good advice, why not take it?

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MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins Reply:

MiBeloved's Response:

The status beyond the body depends on qualification for existence in other places. Desire is always there but it is meaningless if there is no qualification. I know a lady who in her past life wanted to live like Queen Elizabeth. She passed on some years ago and now she took an embryo from one of her grandchildren. He is a professional person but he is struggling to make ends meet. In that case she had the desire but she did not qualify for the fulfillment of it.

The present Queen of England also had the desire but she met the qualification.

If I do not desire to take rebirth, then that is good isn’t it? But if I do not qualify for existence in any other place, then of course my desire will remain just a desire and it will be ignored by providence.

There is a very clear formula from Patanjali about this:

jātyantara pariṇāmaḥ prakṛtyāpūrāt

jātyantara = jāti – category + antara – other, another; pariṇāmaḥ – transformation; prakṛiti – subtle material nature; āpūrāt – due to filling up or saturation.

The transformation from one category to another is by the saturation of the subtle material nature. (Yoga Sutra 4.2)

That means that your nature has to be transformed to match that of the nature of the people who are in the higher dimension before you could be permanently transferred there.

It is not an easy achievement because mostly we are in association with people who are native to this dimension and our habits are usually adapted to this place only.

Buddha spoke of the Tushita heaven. Where is that? How to get there? Which airline is selling tickets to that place?

Krishna spoke about the place where there is no sun or moon where everything is self –illuminated? How does one get to such a place?

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

just to live and do something and leave a legacy behind for humanity does not add up to much.

Jettins Response:

The human body survival instincts misguided and overblown out of proportion if you ask me.

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MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins Response:

I only talk about these things deeply with my family and in forums such as this one where people are open to reading about such topic. I can talk about it casually with people, but I have to word it and express it in such a way as to not question or contradict their pre-existing beliefs. I have to dumb down a little and start by saying “hey, I had an interesting dream about” and give a bit of psychological input in the story. When I hear someone talking about re-occurring nightmares at the same time ignoring them or dismissing them because “reality is more important” as they say, that freaks me out.

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MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins Response:

I think some of these people genuinely want to help and believe the way they can best help is if they participate in the “system”, as it will attract the most unformed people to learn about the cause. The issue that I see with this is that by propping up or greatly participating in this screwed up system, the likes of Chopra help prop up the disease at the same time offering a cure. It then becomes a perpetual game of personal gain with some not even realizing it.

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MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins Response:

You know, when I walk in the streets I will look around and look at people. Everyone seems to be going about their day doing what’s important at that particular moment. I then wonder if they really knew things, (not suspect, believe, but know) would they go around doing and worrying about so much non-sense? I suppose it is the nature of things to everyone to be on their own.

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