Death is like you kill someone and not have a second chance
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 6 years before Nov 18, 2018
Jettins 6 years ago
Experience #662 from July 14, 2012 called “Death is like you kill someone and not have a second chance”.
I met a man who appears to have recently killed his girlfriend during an accident; I would like to share our conversation.
I was relaxing in my bed and forcing myself to listen to a YouTube interview. It must have kept me awake long enough to relax and push myself into trance. As I'm listening to the interview, I thought about entering trance. I focused my vision a certain way and then I start to feel numbness in my right leg. I concentrated on bringing the numbness into the other leg and then the rest of my body. It was a very light numbness with the little bit of vibrations but just tiny vibration. I realized I must be in the OBE condition, and then a force slides me off the bed. I land on the foot of the bed and think of it as an invitation to explore.
The house had all the lights turned off I could barely see. My initial thought was to go outside of the house towards the streets as usual. As I'm getting closer to the door I start to feel a force. The force was preventing me from walking and then slowly started to drag me back to my bed. “Not this force again what does it want now”, I thought. I looked behind me and saw my brother in my bed. He was lifting himself from the bed and waving at me “wait for me”, he said. Thinking back about it the whole scene was funny. I walked back towards my bed to get my brother and realized the force was gone. I grabbed his hand and then we went out of the house.
Come let's fly together I said. This flying is going to be amazing, my brother responded. I started flying us to the left which is north as usual. I say to my brother as we were flying “Don’t become afraid because you can bring things here”. I could see the houses in my neighborhood about 30 or 40 feet down below. I noticed that all the lights were out except for two homes. I say to my brother “should we investigate the house with the strong lights over there?”, but he said no.
“Look at this house over here amazing lighting; I should get bulbs like these for my house”. We kept flying until we saw a gas station, I don't remember anymore what made me stop there. I've come to realize that forces do not only come in the form of barriers, winds or energy manifestations, but also in the form of thoughts or thinking. Maybe that's why I don't remember anymore because it didn't originate in me? The implications of this are too vast to contemplate here. Could this be the psychic perception that we refer too? Something brought me there, this is certain. Even the force at the beginning seemed to be directing the experience. But regardless of why and how it's not important, what's important is what I can learn from it.
I sit in a table with my brother in the lounge area of the gas station. A lot of people where standing waiting in line to pay for things. I'm looking at this whole scene thinking to myself," this is just weird”. I see a young couple sitting next to me eating my favorite Doritos Chips. The following conversation particularly vivid in my memory happened:
Me: Can I have some Doritos? (at this point not realizing why I am sitting down in that gas station)
Man: (grabs the bag from the table and hands it to his girlfriend)
I started to wonder about them, and then I thought “Do they know they are dead?” The man seemingly in response says the following:
Man: Death is like you kill someone and don't have a second chance.
The man lifted his arm to hold what appeared to be his girlfriend. I think they were driving and died together in a car accident.
Women: Why did that have to happen?
I look at the man and say:
Me: You will get another chance, do not worry. Forces are going to re-unite you. You can choose to go back together again if you want. The karmic forces determined how it was going to turn out, the forces know now you are ready to experience something better. (particularly vivid in my memory)
Thinking back I'm not certain if I'm qualified to be giving people advice in these matters, but I'm going to do it anyway. I was letting my intuiting fly and take a mind of its own, to trust my thoughts as I was advised to do in this forum. Something or someone thinks I can do this otherwise these forces wouldn’t be nudging me in certain ways in the first place.
The man hugs the women in understanding of my words.
Women: huh? (As if she didn’t understand)
Me: The karmic forces are in your favor so you can be together again.
I do not know what the karmic forces talk was all about. I do not have the knowledge of the operating procedure and who gets access to what. The strange thing is that it appears to me the guiding forces are grooming me because it wants me to have psychoanalysis abilities of sorts with the dead, or a heightened sense of intuition.
Reminds me of #654 from a few days ago, a distinctively angelic being appearing and saying to me to look up: "College of Intuitive Insignia -1992" an encoded message of sorts. When requesting mine for my insignia while reading a book in a dream. It also made the pages in the book flip and zoom into a symbol that represented my lineage.
The man starts to nod his head in acknowledgement and hugs the women to be closer to him and explain the situation. I stood up and looked out the window to see what was outside. There was a wooden walkway and people walking by. I saw an old man in a cane walking by. The man suddenly gets in front of the small window and puts his face to look into the gas station. I turn around to look and sit back with the couple.
The woman seemed to be getting upset. Suddenly the lights in the gas station are turned off and all the other people disappeared. It was only me, my brother and the couple left in the place. Everything looked deserted as if the gas station had been closed for months. I looked out the window again to realize everything outside had changed. The gas station was now on the foot of a very small river a few feet below. I sensed hallowing music coming out from outside and saw a glowing Halloween pumpkin floating by.
The fear in the women changed the surroundings as she realized the situation. A common occurrence I have noted. I woke up.
Thoughts
It’s interesting that on a second look it appears that the experience set itself up to happen in advance. The force pulling me of the bed, force preventing me from going far, my brother wanting to come with me, instructing my brother not to become afraid, my brother not wanting me to investigate the house with the lights, my brother probably being the one asking me to land in the gas station, thinking about forces guiding me, in short telling the couple forces are guiding them, women becoming afraid and knowing the fear created the changes, feels to me highly scripted in a creepy kind of way. Could it be that the majority of people don’t have these types of experiences because they are not attuned to them? Or in other words they might fight them of as they happen without letting a sense of understanding simply flow out?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Great analysis at the end of this Jettins.
Jettins 6 years ago
I went back to sleep for an hour after today's experience, the one called "death is like you kill someone and not have a second chance" #662. I started thinking about it as I laid down and went to sleep. I went into a dream, I wanted to understand the meaning of this experience, thoughts started to arise. It was like trying to put a sentence together but looking for the correct way to write it, finally it came to me I had it right. I only remember the second part of the sentence now, it had 2 distinct parts, it said something like this:
something...., the greater the psychic perception the better one can choose to how to incarnate.
This is in response to attempting to understand experience #662
Lately it's been a common occurrence that I find myself writing and asking questions in this forum on the astral side of things. I recognize it's this forum because of the blue background. It's never a lucid experience and the memories are superbly difficult to remember for some reason. Far from becoming lucid, as if a non-lucid mind is what is required. There have been interesting insights but I have great difficulty pin pointing what it was upon waking. Looks like as if my subconscious was trying to sort things out and my conscious lucid mind not being able to interfere in the process.
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I am wondering today what happens with the people that are dead and in a similar predicament in the Astral Realms as in this experience. It seems to me the assistance I offered was more for my growth than to actually help those individuals. Why? because my help was half baked, someone else should have taken over after I left and brought them into a more collectively sustained dimension to minimize the chaotic nature of their psyche are my hopes, but just my hopes.
In this particular experience, what would be your guess on what happened to the "soul mates?" through their eyes after our encounter?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
The idea of soul mates need very careful consideration because the relationships we have with each other is interchangeable. In one life, this lady is my mother but in a past life she was my aunt and in yet another life, she was my grandmother and then again in another life she was my lover.
So what is she to me really?
Which of these relationships is the valid one?
In the Mahabharata, after Arjuna’s son Abhimanyu was killed by Jaydrath, Arjuna lamented sorely about it, even though he took his revenge on Jaydrath. Then Arjuna because he was a mahayogin in terms of his mystic accomplishments went into samadhi and tracked down Abhimanyu’s astral body.
Can you imagine someone doing this today, where his son dies in war like in Afghanistan? He is a military general and he sits and goes into samadhi after doing pranayama practice, and finds his son in the astral world.
Think about this. This is from the Mahabharata.
So then when Arjuna caught up with his son, the boy turned and asked him, like this,
“So yes, in this last birth you are the father but in how many of the previous births were you the son.”
Therefore when people talk about soul mates, I usually walk away because they are speaking mostly from the platform of this immediate life without considering the whole range of many lives of interchangeable relationships.
One of my children was a grandmother, one was a great grandmother, so what does that mean. Does that mean that those relationships will remain like that forever?
Jettins 6 years ago
I know what you mean. The reason why I used the words "soul mates" was simply because they where souls and they where together while in the astral, therefore soul mates. Take what I say as face value because I haven't been indoctrinated in belief, I'll rather think and learn instead of stagnating myself in beliefs. Beliefs in general to me are a cop out to avoid doing more learning, reasoning and realization. I see it as probability, what is more probable than something else? This way I do not have to stop learning. Belief to me implies I already know, but what if I believe and don't know %!*(^ or not enough? then I am completely screwed because what if what I need to learn is contradictory to my beliefs? And what is more probable? And how could one even surmount the difficult task of even realizing what is more probable? There is only learning, reasoning and realization, beliefs are for those that got tired of doing this in my opinion. This is why things "APPEAR" to me one of my favorite works in the vocabulary, you will find it used a lot. Just sharing my views, they are not meant to be universal.
I became inclined to think that re-incarnation happen because my experiences pointed out to this. If i hadn't started thinking on my own, I would have been bounded to what I was fed to believe.
In this particular experience, what would be your guess on what happened to them through their eyes after my encounter with them?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Jettins' query:
In this particular experience, what would be your guess on what happened to them through their eyes after my encounter with them?
MiBeloved's Response:
After your encounter with them, these people will stay together for some time in the astral world. They may stay together for years and most likely they will because when one passes off from untimely death or from suicide then that person or those persons cannot leave the adjacent astral world to which they are transferred. They must remain there because the energy content of their most recent life was not exhausted.
Nature will not allow them to take a body, nor to go to any other higher astral domain. Their frequencies are locked until they expend the energy of the previous life which they left through untimely death or suicide.
Once this energy is expended usually these persons disappear from that place and they are drawn into psychic association with their future parents. Then as described in the sex you! book and also to an extent in the Anu Gita book, these persons become an embryo as the child of a certain mother, and then with total loss of memory of the previous life, a new life begins again as a physical person.
