Confidence in the Third Eye
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Apr 23, 2017
MiBeloved 5 years ago
The Agnisara process actually does what Swami Rama said it would do and even more. It affects the operation of the third eye in reference to its potential for chit akash, sky of consciousness perception and other supernatural means of peering into or visiting higher dimensions.
Just by doing Agnisara alone, a person can, it appears, reach the supernatural and spiritual zones of existence.
There is a channel from the navel downwards through the bottom of the trunk of the body. At first when one does the breath infusement focusing on just this area alone, the channel appears to be round. It appears to be filled with a dark-grey dusty subtle energy. By the infusement that changes into a light grey energy and then suddenly it seems to catch afire and burns like burning dusty clouds in a sky.
After this the area clears up and has a gold shimmer light. But then the round shape changes into an oval shaped tube. Then after more infusion, that oval shape widens. The infused energy then attacks the sex organ chakras which are in the pubic area of the body.
The progression of this development might take days or weeks or months even all depending on the intensity and efficient of the practice of a particular student.
After a time the channel begins at the throat under the mouth rather than at the navel. This is when it begins to affect the operation of the third eye. During meditation what happens is this:
Initially when the student does this Agnisara, there is no effect of it on the third eye. In fact there is no effect of it in the head of the subtle body. Thus the student might have doubts about the practice, since most students are eager to have kundalini rise into the head with its accompanying effects there. However as the practice develops, the yogi will find that there are effects in the head.
At first the yogi will be drawn down into the navel area and will find the core-self relocated out of the head of the subtle body down into the Agnisara channel. The student might wonder what should be done there.
As the practice develops, the yogin will find that when sitting to meditate after a session, the core-self becomes aware of both the head of the subtle body and the Agnisara channel which was bored out and which is now filled with a gold shimmering light which sometimes has an orange hue.
Then suddenly the student will find that the third eye assumes an orange hue with small flashes of light which are like icicles shimmering a little in sunlight. And then the third eye will open for about 3 seconds or even for as much as 10 seconds and then it will just be shimmering and it might open for less than that amount a second or third time.
And then it will just not open but the student will derive from this an important confidence, that it is possible by practice to open this third eye and use the third eye just as one could use a physical eyes.
The value of this is the confidence gained since a student does not have any confidence in the ability to use the third eye due to its resistance to the will power of the student. It is as if the will power feels relieved to find itself operating the third eye on that level periodically.
This might be compared to a frustrated child who after a number attempts to make the feet of the infant body walk in a balanced and orderly way, gets frustrated because of repeatedly falling since the feet just does not respond to its will power. And then after a time, the child finds that the feet does respond to the will power even though it does that only for a few steps and then it again disobeys the will power.
Many persons think that opening of their eye is imagination of yogis or is just a belief of yogis. Thus if anyone has these experiences, faith in the practice of yoga develops and that helps to accelerate practice.
Agnisara is one of the practices which help in the development of such faith. Just as an infant gradually finds that the feet which were resistant and unresponsive to the will power, eventually over time becomes more and more compliant, so the student yogi will find that the higher faculties of the subtle body which were undeveloped and even non-existent come into focus and become usable functions. It is exactly like taking a new body having no control of it and then gradually learning how to operate it as it develops.
Yesterday someone asked how it was that these persons like Swami Rama develop and have more than one body. That student called and asked about the difficulty in maintaining two bodies, just as Swami Rama is doing. But actually to an infant walking is a big task, if not impossible one, and yet to an adult it is done without any thinking and effort.
So when the subtle body changes in configuration, a new form of it will be experienced with the corresponding faculties which to us now are impossible.
shahyarm 5 years ago
Is there anywhere I can find the "Agnisara Process"?! I also understand that such things as "Bentonite Clay" as a useful item for cleansing! I am assuming this is a physical cleansing!
Thank You.
Dean 5 years ago
Michael wrote: Initially when the student does this Agnisara, there is no effect of it on the third eye. In fact there is no effect of it in the head of the subtle body. Thus the student might have doubts about the practice, since most students are eager to have kundalini rise into the head with its accompanying effects there. However as the practice develops, the yogi will find that there are effects in the head.
Dean's Question: As you have stated this Agnisara channel is not located in the head but once its cleaned out with infused breath it will open the third eye consistently. Does not raising kundalini up the spine into the head and infusing the head of the subtle body with fresh air yield the same results in reference to opening the third eye?
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Dean's Question: As you have stated this Agnisara channel is not located in the head but once it’s cleaned out with infused breath it will open the third eye consistently. Does not raising kundalini up the spine into the head and infusing the head of the subtle body with fresh air yield the same results in reference to opening the third eye?
MiBeloved’s Response:
Raising kundalini into the head and infusing the head with fresh air, will yield the same results, but only if the infusion is thorough. That is not an easy achievement. One also has to have a lifestyle that is fully compliant with the stipulations of Patanjali regarding yama and niyama social rules.
Without that compliance, raising kundalini will result in opening third eye infrequently.
When he discussed the yama restraint actions and the niyama approved behaviors, Patanjali spoke of the great commitment which is that one should not violate these, nor use awkward situations as a reason to ignore these. He said that because if one has to violate these while practicing the yoga process one will get a faulty result, an incomplete result.
Until the yogi is able to shut down his interest in the benefits of material existence, he cannot get the full success but that does not mean that one should not practice. One should practice anyway but one should not have false expectations thinking that one will get the full result.
In regards to the question about the physical body and cleansing It., Yoga really has little to do with the physical body. A person can do yoga and derive all sorts of physical health benefits and even psychological benefits like relief from stress, and that same person might get absolutely zero results in the psychic sense of the subtle body.
But the Agnisara process of Swami Rama is the hard core Hatha Yoga process not the Western Hatha Yoga process which is just asanas and healthy diet which results in physical beauty, health and physical well-being.
Ha and Tha actually means the sun and moon influences in the body, which points to the kundalini shakti. It has very little to do with a material body. The value of a material body to an advanced yogi is that it ties down the subtle system. Besides that the physical body is a useless limited appendage.
When the subtle body is in the subtle world, if it is not a yoga siddha form, then it is a botheration because it is very fickle and jumps from one place to the next. This makes it near impossible to have a steady yoga practice because the subtle body acts like a squirrel always moving about and not staying steady for anything like yoga.
So the use of the physical body for a yogi is a far cry from its regular usage by others.
But really come to think of it, what is the use of taking care of a body that is only going to last for the most say 80 years?
If I sell you a car and tell you that it will explode in about 10 more days, will you invest thousands of dollars to repair something in it, if for sure it cannot last beyond 10 days. You would not.
In the same way a yogi is not concerned with this physical body but in so far as working on it affects the subtle body, we are eager about that.
See the link below which has this paragraph below, note that there is mention of agnisara's effcts on the subtle body:
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Agni Sara – On the physical level, this looks like a combination of Kapalabhati and Uddiyana Bandha. The combination of pranayama and asana looks to be more similar to Uddiyana Bandha. The deeper emphasis is on the use of all muscles in the lower abdomen and, specifically, use of the pelvic floor. When we consider agni sara for the subtle body, it is said that this technique activates kundalini shakti, at our navel center. Agni Sara is a primary step toward harnessing prana, which should result in spiritual growth.
https://www.aurawellnesscenter.com/2010/10/12/questions-about-pranayama-and-cleansing-techniques/
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My discussion concerns the subtle body even though it is also occurring to the physical body to a great degree. Swami Rama's advanced method does not involve kundalini but involves the self using pranic energy just as kundalini would have used it. But initially a student yogi has to do agnisara with the kundalini and when this is done proficiently, the kundalini gets drawn up into the brain and loses it tight hold on the base chakra, the sex chakra system and the navel chakra domain. Then that yogi practices a higher type of agnisara practice, in the preparation to assume a yoga siddha subtle body.
In the subtle body we are not concerned with the muscular locks. There you are dealing with energy, either heavy subtle energy of very light weight subtle energy. The tubes I mentioned are subtle tubes in the subtle body and that one in particular has no corresponding one in the physical system which is like it. In the physical system we have intestines and colon in those areas and these are coiled tubing but in the subtle body there is a passage from the navel straight down (no coiling) through the body to somewhere between the anus and perineum.
So the physical actions of agnisara are for very beginning students. That practice is the beginning but it is not the advanced practice which has to do with the subtle body.
A point might be raised though as to why focus so much on what is subtle and abstract, why not focus on the physical and be done with it, feeling the benefits on the physical side.
This is a good argument until the time of death of the physical system, because from then onwards one has to deal with the subtle part of the psyche. So yogis try to get an advance on the subtle before the time of death.
Physical existence is not the problem for a yogi, because physical existence is here because of a psychic interest in it. The problem is that psychic interest which we have. Thus to deal with the physical in real terms means to confront that psychic interest once and for all.
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