Chia vs. Beloved!
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Jan 19, 2018
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
Some time ago I posted a few paragraphs dealing with my comparison of these approaches to moving the energy; you may want to read:
-> Tao/Kriya or Chi/Kundalini?
I do not recall going in any details of the techniques in that post. On the surface it is very difficult and even impossible to understand the difference initially. They both deal with raising kundalini, and can both accomplish that; so what's the difference?
All according to my exposure, there is much similarity in the general motion of the energy from the throat, down through the pubic area back the spine, up to the head. And at the beginning stages both rely on apana energy to some extent.
Eventually yogic practice goes beyond that initial level and much deeper, especially on the subtle side. Whereas the tantric practice will deepen it’s usage of the apana energy since it most definitely continue to further develop its reliance on penile or vaginal manipulations.
In that sense one develops more of a focus on testicular or scrotal function and production (seminal) or ovarian for the female. So, there will be a clear divergence soon enough.
The tantric will only take one as high as to conceive on the mental level such as in testicular/scrotal breathing. The end justifies the means, so Chia’s techniques are ultimately in line with their objectives of longevity and vitality, if at all possible.
Michael’s approach from the get go posits that it is not about anything physical or gross, but the subtle and beyond. The body itself is only used as an accessory to the aim of subtracting one from the confines of material energy altogether.
Because naturally one may be more intuitive in promoting sexual stimulation, and harnessing apana energy, Chia’s approach can allow an easier and more immediate rising of kundalini. The communality stops there.
In the long run, after developing confidence in tantric, one is insidiously furthering reliance on the physical body; even more so by cultivating the male or female chi energy as it stems from the genitalia (the base chakra).
Ideas of liberation and attaining the crown chakra seem farfetched for all intended purposes. Such techniques as generally propagated by Chia or Adi Da Love-Ananda Samraj or Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh lack a comprehensive and serious foundation. Perhaps the experience can be at best interpreted as spiritual, but there is no real cultivation of the subtle body.
Yes, harnessing seminal reserve and cultivating it through various means do obviously allow for as much prolonged, intense and multiple sexual orgasms as can be possibly contemplated from this level and for that matter make kundalini, chi, or life force rise relatively more noticeably; since apana energy is a factor.
Beyond that preliminary kundalini effect, more prana is required therefore pranayama. Subtle body awareness and perceptions must be developed therefore asanas and prana. Kundalini energy will need to be controlled therefore understanding it is a subtle force, very different from semen, which is not what is raised to the brain; even if supposedly gray matter in the head, spinal fluid and semen out the lower head appear to resemble one another.
This tendency to create intense sensual of physical pleasurable sensations will later have to be reversed entirely in order to accept and mature in approaching from the subtle aspect; an extreme challenge as it is. So much back paddling ahead.
Also, on a side note an approach such as Chia’s is considered morally inconsiderate from Beloved’s, as it is painful to would be ancestor who are tantalized in such practices.
Nam Saker II 5 years ago
Why not a corperation of Chia, Michael Beloved, Kundalini Yoga, Taoism, AdiDa, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh ? ^^"
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unlimitedsun 5 years ago
You mean a cooperation between? (versus a corporation of)
Okay, a cooperation. So the similarities only go only so far as I explained from what I have experienced. Beyond that point, it is very hard to cooperate when you are moving in opposite directions.
Again, that question proves as previously stated the difficulty and even impossibility in understanding or accepting the obvious difference/divergence between these other practices and Patanjali Kriya Yoga, initially.
Or did you mean some particular type of cooperation?
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To say more on the aspect of an eventual cooperation. It is a little hard for me to imagine, from what I can see in the videos of Michael, alone at the crack of dawn and blindfolds on... and a group sex / orgy atmosphere where all are striving to draw from sexual energy.
The higher concepts of Chia's practice seems to allude to alchemy or the science of immortality and vitality, and these aims do not appears to be realistically connected to the techniques that are used, not by a long stretch. And even then these goals are still practically opposite to the path of Patanjali Kriya Yoga.
Cooperation will start with a more serious consideration of Taoism, where the focus will be the subtle body and its energies, along with a respectable understanding of their characteristics. The objectives achieved in that way may not be attained when the life force/ chi is moved from the motivation of thrill or sensation.
Nam Saker II 5 years ago
unlimitedsun wrote:
It is a little hard for me to imagine, from what I can see in the videos of Michael, alone at the crack of dawn and blindfolds on... and a group sex / orgy atmosphere where all are striving to draw from sexual energy.
Nam Saker II's comment:
If it is easy so everyone will be Buddha , Christ, Shaman already ! Hjhj
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
A threesome?
Nam Saker II 5 years ago
and nonstop !
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
Then I must say the short answer is no cooperation!
