Chakras as Bodies?
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Date: Posted 5 years before Nov 16, 2017
MiBeloved 5 years ago
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Manish wrote:
Michael even further what I think is all these seven bodies are shells of soul. The inner core is in crown chakra. One can directly split all the shells, if refined thoughts are there. This peeling of shells can move that upper body to join the actual force of soul system of universe.
The remaining shells like lower 6 or 5 bodies can be used by someone else.
The people who have developed only 2-3 chakras, either don’t have their upper body or that is in very lower form.
The entire soul system, wants liberated bodies, to increase its own energy. So it’s sucking the energies from different life forms and helping them to increase their energies, the lower life forms.
Am I going too far?
MiBeloved's Response:
As for this idea about the 7 shells what I can say is that the only thing that has these shells as you describe them is the kundalini. That is not the inner core of the soul as you term it. What happens however is that usually the soul mistakes itself for the kundalini, but the kundalini is a totally different something which is not the soul proper?
Within the psyche, each of us has a core self, which is first surrounded on all sides spherically by a sense of identity (ahamkara/ego). This in turn is restricted by an intellect psychic organ (buddhi) which in turn is harnessed to the five sensual orbs (indriya). These exist in the head of the subtle body in what we usually call the mind. However besides these there is the kundalini which exists mostly not in the head but in the spine of the subtle body, near the bottom of it at the place known in yoga as muladhara (root/mula --- station anchor /dhara).
Because of the prevalence of the influence of this kundalini, the core self even though it is not that power, feels as though it is just that and therefore the situation of kundalini is assumed to be the situation of the soul.
When kundalini expresses itself in base chakra (muladhara), then I say that I am passing waste or that I am enjoying sex if I am homosexually inclined or have a taste for anal penetration.
When kundalini expresses itself through the sex chakra on the spine and when that energy reaches the sex organ chakras which is it offshoots, then I say that I am having sexual pleasure.
When kundalini expresses itself through the navel chakra on the spine then I get a desire to eat, drink and be merry and I feel that I must fill up my stomach and intestines.
When kundalini expresses itself through the heart chakra, then I get very emotional, I feel love or conversely I may feel hate for others. I want to embrace others and I get a great happiness doing so or I feel satisfied taking revenge on others.
When kundalini expresses itself though the throat chakra, then I like to speak to others either harshly or pleasantly. Then talking gives me great pleasure. This chakra also works with the navel chakra to coordinate passing food into the stomach.
When kundalini expresses itself though the third eye chakra, usually I am able to focus on my ambitions and accomplishments and rarely I become inclined to psychic development.
When kundalini expresses itself through the brahma randra crown chakra I usually become spaced out and cannot put my foot down on anything. I lose my grasping tendency and let go of everything.
This has nothing to do with the core-self really except that in the present configuration the core self is under the influence of kundalini and is reliant on it. As a man in a dark cave must rely on a flashlight, so the self must rely on the kundalini. If the flashlight is dull then the man is limited in what he can see with it. If the light is bright then he has more facility.
So when kundalini reaches the crown chakra, the core self may or may not get an increase in psyche perception. It can experience a black out, a white out or a gold out. Presence of kundalini at crown chakra is not necessarily a guarantee for a gold out, for an experience of higher consciousness.
There is something in yoga called jada samadhi and it means samadhi in the mode of ignorance with the person having no idea of anything during that state, a total void out with no information, no perception, nothing.
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I would ask you to stop thinking of the chakras as bodies and instead see them as an elevator system in the building of the subtle body. It is one subtle body which has these chakras, not just seven but many more. Seven is given because those 7 are the most important ones. It would be ridiculous if we were to name the other chakras and then say that each is a body. No these chakras are simply like the nerve ganglion in a physical body. Those are part of one nervous system and are not separate unto themselves.
What you might do however is to consider that each of the chakras is symbolic of and is actually a direct way to access various levels of consciousness and also various species of life. For instance let us look at the form of pig. Now if I transfer from this body and somehow by bad luck I get attracted to a parent pig, then I might just come out in the next life as somebody’s little piggy. And then the predominant chakra will be the mouth which is the throat chakra. It will be so predominant in the form, that the entire body will be geared to just finding things for the mouth to eat. So a predominant throat chakra results to passage to the lower species like that.
In that way the predominance of a particular chakra causes the whole chakra system to transmigrate with the kundalini in it into a species or existential niche in which that chakra is the main operation in the chakra system.
Kundalini as it is naturally is anchored at the base chakra and that is its normal attachment. From there its primary interest is survival. This means that if I am unable to unearth kundalini from there, then I will have to keep coming back into a species of life, in a world in which survival has all importance.
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The inner core of the soul is not a chakra unless you want to say that the form of the soul is a chakra. Right now in material existence the form of the soul is just like a shining light which shines in a spherical way like a particle of light in a nuclear reactor. It shines in all directions and its shape is spherical.
That is not a chakra but that relies on the services of the kundalini which is the system which operates the chakras as its expression points.
In a city there are roads. Buses travel on the roads. People use the buses to move from one junction of the road to another, so the core self uses the kundalini like a bus to move through the nadi-chakra system of psychic roads.
At some junctions it is dark because for some reason the Mayor of the city considered that a light was unnecessary there, so that is like the base muladhara chakra. If you ever go there you will find it to be dark there, brown-blackish. But at other junctions where the Mayor thought it was important to have illumination, there are street lights. This is like the third eye and crown chakra.
The fact that the soul is not the crown chakra and that the chakra is not a body of the soul or the inner level of the soul is proven by the fact that unless the kundalini rises to that chakra, it simply does not exist even if the soul is present there. In other words, if you go to the brightest part of the city but if the city engineer has turned off the lights then you still cannot see anything. So unless kundalini is present up at the crown chakra, the soul being there cannot do anything.
The chakra system is run by the kundalini not by the soul.
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In kundalini yoga, what do you think we are doing?
In kundalini yoga we inspire kundalini to turn on all the lights and it is reluctant to do so. It wants to turn on the light at the sex chakra because that is pleasure for it. It wants to turn on the lights at the navel chakra because that is the way it gets the energy to generate sex pleasure. It wants to turn on the lights at the navel chakra because it likes to eat sweet foods and harsh condiments.
But it is reluctant to turn on the lights at the third eye and the crown chakra because these operations take energy which it prefers to use for sex enjoyment.
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Please elaborate on what you mean as the soul system of the universe. In that way I can understand you clearly and then I can comment.
I can say however that the potential for using all the chakra is there but soul is able to or unable to utilize the higher ones because of the soul’s status of evolution and because of where the soul is located on the tree of life. Everyone has the seven chakras which you listed but in some of us, only some are activated fully. It might be compared to a computer. There are so many people now with computers but most of us use these for emails, Facebook and so on. While the scientist use it to send satellites into space. Those of us who are sex craze use the computer to see pornography. Those of us, who have political positions, use the computer to capture voters and so on.
The potential is there but it can only be exploited according to our developed interest.
devaPriya Yogini 5 years ago
I read this several times during the night. Wonderful. People do conceptualize the bodies as separate, but in the back of their mind that must make no sense to them. I may read some of this with my students if that's ok with you. The "kundalini" folks that I've been around over the years, especially now here in Sarasota, honestly seem quite sexed up and overtly focused on seemingly sexually dynamic. The men and women! I've been the attempted target of a couple of them which was stressful because of their intensity. They are practicing what they believe Yogi Bhajan should have them do i can only suppose, many are certified teachers of his, but something isn't working...truly they are seemingly the horniest yogis, more sexually rajasic than some who are also attempting to be yoga conscious. But at least they don't go all the way with the exploitation, like selling yoga pants for lululemon, The yoga teachers around here cry tears of joy when they are selected an ambassador for that clothing company.
Through my years of celibacy and austerity, Im finally beginning to understand the blessed illumination of the whole body. But it takes constant discipline throughout the purification process. Especially for me, emotional discipline! For me as a woman I have to strive to maintain objectiveness toward emotions. This has saved me currently from repeating the past ignorances. The unearthing, as you said, of the She energy kundalini to illumine the whole being takes not being a glutton for easy pleasures and infatuations of any kind. Thank you again. Your writings are rich and righteous. Earthly excellence and that's what I'm after. Namaste Beloved one.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
The missing ingredient in yoga in the West is culture. Yoga developed in particular cultures in India. It did not develop in a vacuum. If we transplant it to the West and leave the culture behind there will be a problem. Patanjali codified yoga but in the package which he offered was wrapped the Yama moral restraints and Niyama recommended social behaviors. If we take asanas, pranayama pratyahar and the rest and leave that culture of yama and niyama back in India, then there will be defects.
It has to have a suitable culture for its development.
The trick about the sex chakra is to keep the gender of it but dump the sexual feature of it. It is not easy to sort the two. In this human body, we can understand this a little by studying the perspective of an infant towards its mom or dad. And then studying the change in perspective of the same infant to its lover, after sexual maturity.
Why is there a difference? So that different is the difference between gender and sex. Best to stick to the infant perspective and leave the troublesome sex pleasure perspective alone.
Nature presents, sponsors and encourages the sex perspective after sexual maturity but it does so with a cost. It is not a freebie. There is a charge for using it, like when a person takes a loan and leaves the bank with a large sum of money. Then some months after a loan officer shows up with a warrant because of payment default.
Every sexual act carries with it responsibility but we as humans are too blind to understand that. Just imagine if you are getting money, free easy money from a bank but every bit of it is under record at an exorbitant interest and you have no idea that the bank is keeping tally. Then suddenly you are arrested.
So nature runs sex like that. Smart yogis and yoginis stay away from the bank. Stupid short-sighted yogis take more and more loans, or indulge more and more with no understanding that the willy nilly nature will book them with incurred fees in the future.
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But it is not easy to jump over the hurdle of permissive casual sex. It is not easy to close down the sex organ chakra once it is open. Nature turns on the valve of the sex organ chakra at puberty and then she dares anyone to shut it down.
For fertile female bodies, nature’s point is clear. You use this you carry this. Or you use this organ; you carry this child for 9 months and then provide for its maintenance for several years thereafter. But is there really a choice? Does a female really make that decision consciously understanding the full implications? People say, “She got pregnant. She made that choice.”
Really?
And now at last by the grace of chemistry, or medical people have shut up the mouth of nature because a woman no longer has to worry about getting pregnant. But can we be sure that nature is no longer taking note of what we are doing? Can we be sure that nature will not levy fines on us somewhere else in some other life in the future?
Of all the chakras the most difficult one to shut down is the sex organ chakra. This is not the sex chakra on the spine. This is the sex organ chakra. One has to be a mahayogin or a mahayogini to shut that valve down.
Then again if the yogi shuts it down for his or her own purposes, because of existential maturity, then again another problem arises which is the right of others to use the chakra. How does the yogi deal with that?
The account at the bank of material nature is a joint account between the yogi, his relatives, people from past lives to whom he is obligated and so on. So even if the yogi can close off his financial interest and reduce his sexual needs, others may still be using the account. Since it is a joint account he is still involved anyway.
What to do?
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
devaPriya Yogini wrote:
"I may read some of this with my students if that's ok with you."
unlimitedsun's Comment:
"It is an open site anything published on meditationtime is more or less up for grabs."
