Celibacy and the Spiritual World
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before Dec 23, 2016
MiBeloved 3 years ago
The subject of the spiritual body, and how to recognize what it is, was mentioned in a phone conversation yesterday. The person also wanted to know about the relation between celibacy and going to the divine world.
Celibacy as an ideal in itself will not get anyone into the divine world. You could go to the Satyaloka supernatural world, if you get a full grip on celibacy. You may reach the Tushita heavenly place where the Buddhas reside. But neither of these places are the divine world.
Hiranyakashipu attained full celibacy and life force control even though he was an atheist and objected to the jurisdictional authority of deities. Subsequently, the Brahma deity who also came to Buddha when Buddha mastered certain austerities, came to meet Hiranyakashipu. That signified that the atheist had attained the Satyaloka places. This is quite exceptional. It is puzzling to many religious fanatics.
The big demigod over our planet, is Brahma. To reach his place one has to be celibate. And one must exhibit no interest in sexual life while one is there, otherwise one fades away from that place hence forth.
For protection from falling down, smart yogis take the form of immature boys when they are with Brahma. This helps tremendously because at any moment a demigoddess or some other desirable female may come to see Brahma, and if one is sexually stimulated then one is toast. In a prepubescent body there is no chance for such arousal, and because of the body’s design, one cannot view the angelic women in a sexual way.
Sometimes when I used to be in a Vaishnava sampradaya, lecturers of the sect would ridicule the four Kumaras who use supernatural infant boy forms. Actually this behavior of the Kumaras is standard for all intelligent yogis who understand that to risk being in sexually mature forms when near Brahma is to risk taking physical rebirth.
But the divine world is a whole other reality. Entry there depends on being admitted by a deity. You can be as celibate as you want, or as sexually involved as anyone could possibly be, and still you cannot go there, or even perceive the existence of the place, unless you get an invite from a deity.
The power to relocate to a divine world comes from the desire of the deity to cause a certain person to transit from here. That is the force to look for. If that force is absent no amount of celibacy or morality will cause a transfer.
In sexual terms however, one can take it from me that our sexual orientation in the material world is itself an impediment for access to the spiritual places.
Why?
Our orientation is for pleasure via the genitals. That is the way the human body is set up from the get-go.
The spiritual body has nothing to do with pleasure expression which is centered on the genitals. It is not constructed with special pleasure nerves which are only in the sexual organs. There is no idea that the genitals have any special significance, or that the genitals can provide private intense pleasure.
Every part of the spiritual body is a super-pleasure aspect.
The question is:
How could celibacy prepare one to take a spiritual body?
Can it help in the final analysis?
In the material world, we pursue specific pleasures using special senses or organs but in the spiritual places pleasure is every which way evenly distributed with the same intensity in every direction in every type of interaction with any part of the spiritual body. Thus how will celibacy prepare one for something like that?
Marcia Beloved 3 years ago
Michael wrote:
The question is:
How could celibacy prepare one to take a spiritual body?
Can it help in the final analysis?
In the material world, we pursue specific pleasures using special senses or organs but in the spiritual places pleasure is every which way evenly distributed with the same intensity in every direction in every type of interaction with any part of the spiritual body. Thus how will celibacy prepare one for something like that?
Marcia Beloved's Reply:
Celibacy will be helpful if it is necessary in order to achieve a broader accomplishment.
If one can do the breath infusion process Michael details on this forum and reach the level of infusing all individual cells with oxygen directly, taking oxygen directly from the trees and plants into every individual cell, as contrasted to painstakingly forcing oxygen via the lungs and circulatory system to all areas of the body, then one might actually create a body which is as suitable to the spiritual places as is humanly possible.
Of course, the entire subtle body, every nook and cranny of it, would have to be evenly and fully infused, producing equanimity, resulting in nondual consciousness.
If one succeeds at that, then celibacy would simply be a natural consequence of having established the same intensity of energy in every direction in every type of interaction with any part of the physical and subtle bodies. The genitals would not crave sex because the sexual organs would not have any more capacity for pleasure than any other body part.
At that stage, sexual involvement and abstinence in a human earthly body, would be experienced as the same. It would not matter one way or the other since the transformation of the subtle body is already established.
Maybe that is the stage at which the eyes can hear and the toes can see!
Just some thoughts on the matter....
Is this attainable?
MiBeloved 3 years ago
The important thing is the perspective, having that and knowing that one has to go there in the future, if one is to have a nature which is similar to that of the divine beings.
Don't worry about the attainability.
