Astral Sex Dreams

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Date: Posted 8 years before Jul 01, 2018

MiBeloved 8 years ago

This is being shared with permission of the person who sent me this by email:

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Last night, I had three mystic sexual encounters. The first and second encounters were with two women that I am acquainted with. One is an old girlfriend and the other is a friend of a friend in which there has been no physical sexual contact. Both of the sexual encounters were brief and even though I could not see either of these women through my subtle eyes, I knew who they were and was aware of the experience astrally as it was happening. Now the 3rd encounter was very interesting because I don’t recall who the woman was but I obviously did not want to have the encounter with her. So I attempted to flee from this woman. However, it seemed that she altered her subtle form so that my subtle form would have no choice but to be attracted to hers. It was like if the elderly actress Betty White changing her form into the beautiful Halle Berry. My subtle body was compelled to engage with hers sexually, once the contact occurred, I could feel the pleasurable sensation in the subtle body then within seconds I could feel semen spilling from my physical system. I awoke shortly after to find evidence of it in my pants

MiBeloved’s Response:

The most important part of these dreams have absolutely nothing to do with these astral encounters and it is this, that if you passed on from your body shortly, this kind of life would be your heaven or hell, all according to how you are aspirating and desiring.

Say for instance I am a Christian and I am saved. I went through the whole thing, baptism etc. I attend church frequently. I say prayers and sing hymns. I am legally married. I have no outside relationships.

But somehow I am having dreams of a sexual nature and the truth is I never dream about Jesus Christ or even dream of myself singing in the choir as I do every Sunday. Then what do you think will happen if I die? Will I got to heaven and find angels there with Jesus and God?

Well I won’t, because the same psychological form which I use in dreams will be used if I die, and that form will go to the same places it used to go during dreams. But still I don’t believe this because I have a strong conviction and I feel I am saved in Christ.

Case number two is that Indian man who works at the same place that I do. He is from India and he is an upright Hindu. Of course as Christian I do not accept his religion and for that matter he worships idols of gods from India. I hear him talking about Shiva and Krishna and Ganesh but when I looked that up on the web I found out that Ganesh has an elephant face. So who will worship a half animal as a god or as God?

Anyway like myself that Indian man, Mr. Singh has sex dreams. Socially we are friends even though I do not approve of his religion especially the many Hindu gods which I feel is just primitive superstition. But where would Mr. Singh go if he passed from his body? Would he find himself in the Christian hell for rejecting Jesus Christ as his personal savoir?

Again the answer is very simply that Mr. Singh will go to an astral place and continue with the same psychological contacts which he made in dreams when he had his material body.

The essential thing here is to see that you can take your hereafter prospects into your own hands now, by beginning to be aware of your astral body’s attractions and by trying to reform that and change the direction of that if it is not what you prefer.

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This is the first and second dreams:

MiBeloved’s Response:

Our habit is to place stress on physical sexual contact. In fact one finds that even in the advanced religions of India, this physical existence is stressed and astral or dream experiences is either denied or ignored.

This approach is a huge blunder.

Having no sexual contact with someone is totally meaningless if you are having any sort of slight or intense subtle sexual contact. For all purposes the subtle contacts or flirtations are a sexual contact. Therefore the stress on not having sexual contact with someone whom you have such contact with in dreams, is hypocrisy.

Take steps to correct this misunderstanding. When you have a subtle sexual flirtation, regard it as a gross sexual contact. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that it does not cross into the territory of immorality. Don’t feel that it is not a breach. It is.

You are correct however in realizing during the dream that even though you did not physically see the form of the person, there was still sexual contact. And the same type of vision should be transferred to the physical side of existence; so that the next time there is a flirtation you can realize that it is a sexual exchange. Even thinking of sex in relation to someone else is a sexual exchange.

We are not discussing the right or wrong in the exchange but just acknowledging the instances.

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This is the third dream:

Now the 3rd encounter was very interesting because I don’t recall who the woman was but I obviously did not want to have the encounter with her. So I attempted to flee from this woman. However, it seemed that she altered her subtle form so that my subtle form would have no choice but to be attracted to hers. It was like if the elderly actress Betty White changing her form into the beautiful Halle Berry. My subtle body was compelled to engage with hers sexually, once the contact occurred, I could feel the pleasurable sensation in the subtle body then within seconds I could feel semen spilling from my physical system. I awoke shortly after to find evidence of it in my pants

MiBeloved’s Response:

In English, an undesirable sexual dream with a sexually attractive and irresistible person is said to be an encounter with a succubus if the assault is made by a female. When it is made by a male it is called an incubus.

However in meditation practice, these entities are not seen in a negative way as being demonic. The yogi is concerned in tracing the reason for his association with such spirits, not with condemning them or blaming them for the association.

The question arises as to why the subtle body of the yogi, goes to a location where such beings reside. You cannot meet someone unless you go to a location which is available to the person, so the problem is location and the subtle body’s tendency for finding itself in certain undesirable places.

If someone has the power to change form and make it irresistible to you and if you instinctively always want to get away from that person’s actual form, then it means that you owe something to that person and you do not want to pay up.

Subsequently the laws of karma or consequential energies kick in and empower the person to take from you the needful.

If I cheated someone and if I did not pay up at the due date, and the loan of energy was defaulted for sometime, then fate will take the matter in its own hands and extract from me the payment.

Paying someone what is due has nothing to do with liking or not liking the person. If I owe you something, it does not matter if you are my friend or enemy. Whatever it is, it is still due and if I do not voluntarily give it, then fate will kick in and force me to give over the item.

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The subtle body’s actions may be mimicked by the gross body on occasion. This happens if the subtle body is in a lower astral dimension which is close in frequency to the gross body. At that time the experience is transmitted from the life force in the subtle body to the residual life force which is left behind in the physical system and so the physical system mimics what occurs on the astral plane.

Darren 8 years ago

A couple of questions:

Michael wrote:

"The essential thing here is to see that you can take your hereafter prospects into your own hands now, by beginning to be aware of your astral body’s attractions and by trying to reform that and change the direction of that if it is not what you prefer."

Darren's Comment:

I had a series of Lucid dreams last night. One of which I found myself in a lower astral realm. It was a dark street with lots of people and looked pretty grim. Somewhere I wouldn't like to go normally. Rather than go down the street I turned my back and went the other direction making the conscious decision that I'd prefer not to get caught up in the lower astral energies which I have done many time before in other dreams etc. In another Lucid dream: I was flying up my street (scraping the ground) and generally having a look around enjoying the scenery. I read before that spinning in a circle is a good way to stay lucid if you're about to wake up. I tried this technique and it worked. I was in the parallel dimension I often visit and have spoken about on here before. It was funny and reminded me on Alice in Wonderland with many strange goings on such as: A car parking across the street with about 7 passengers squeezed in. One passenger got out and walked through a hedge rather than take the long way around to the house entrance. I had a chuckle at this. In that same house they had their Christmas decorations up which again was funny but strange. So anyway I flew up the street and was thinking about where to visit. I thought about heading to the Church which was nearby and checking that out but was flying too fast to make the turn. I woke shortly after when I collided with a car moving in the opposite direction. Are these two decisions (avoiding the undesirable lower astral area in the first dream AND wanting to visit the church in the second dream) the beginning of "being aware of my astral body’s attractions and trying to reform that and change the direction of that if it is not what I prefer." ?? Secondly, is it likely that the entities I would find in locations such as the church be beneficial to me? I will have to find out for myself on the next occasion.

MiBeloved 8 years ago

Darren’s inquiry:

Are these two decisions (avoiding the undesirable lower astral area in the first dream AND wanting to visit the church in the second dream) the beginning of "being aware of my astral body’s attractions and trying to reform that and change the direction of that if it is not what I prefer." ??

MiBeloved’s Response:

This is the way your astral body interprets your desire to change direction in the astral world in terms of association. It is unable to take you to higher dimensions, so it makes the effort to ease the subconscious tension by making better selections in the same astral locations. “If you can’t go to heaven then at least go to a church on earth,” that sort of thing. In this case that astral dimension is not heaven, is not the earth but is close to the earth. Your astral body has no interest in anything but physical existence and psychic existence that is close to and is directly related to physical existence. So that is the report on your present status, that if you were to lose the physical body you are using now, you will be stuck in that adjacent parallel world with those people and then in time, you would again come out in another body as somebody’s baby in the UK or in the Netherlands or some European place. The astral body cannot go to a higher dimension unless its energy content is changed. This was realized in India in the period of the Upanishads. And thus the process of pranayama was developed as a special way of displacing lower energies in the subtle form. Your religious faith cannot help you in changing the subtle body. You have to attack its energy consumption; otherwise all your efforts will pan out as physically convertible changes such that if you are a Hindu, your faith will lead you back again. For a Christian a similar thing will happen. The human race is operating as a tension point between beast and divine person. This means that Darwin was correct in terms of the beast. But Bhagavad Gita is also correct, and Krishna was talking about the divine person. Both are correct and we are in the middle of the tug of war between the beast pulling us in one direction and the divine pulling us in another direction. There was a discussion a few days ago about art and I was saying to Sir Paul that art as lettering is based on speech communication. But he was arguing another view point. So I was trying to make a statement for the beast and he was sticking to the divine potential in human beings. The fight goes on between the two. When you are descending from divine to human, then you have to know how you will again ascend, but when you are ascending from beast to human then you have to integrate yourself at every upper step or you will find yourself falling backwards all the time. So during the time of the Upanishads some people came down from the divine level and they studied the process of contamination so that they could decontaminate themselves when they were ready to ascend. If you go down into the gutter and forget how you got there and do not have a way to ascend, then you will get stuck at least on the human level and you will always be threatened with descent to the beastly condition. So what is your status as far as you know? Many of us are making claims for ourselves as divine beings, as gods or as God. Some of us go so far as to proclaim ourselves as the Whole as God. So what is your position? Are you with Darwin, going up from the primordial bacterial soup level, and after millions of years evolving up? Are you coming down from the divine and then taking lower incarnations. Well don’t even bother to answer. Say it in a whisper at least loud enough for yourself to hear what you are saying and then plan your next move. From the up position, one type of move is taken, and from the down position (Darwin) another type of move is required?

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Darren’s inquiry:

Secondly, is it likely that the entities I would find in locations such as the church being beneficial to me? I will have to find out for myself on the next occasion.

MiBeloved’s Response:

Why wait for an astral investigation since you already have physical results which run parallel to the astral locale. Those adjacent parallel worlds are very similar and in fact they are inter-related. You can know for sure that you are not going to find Christ, angels and heaven there. It will be the same church members who you would meet on the physical side and some departed souls who were church goers in their immediate past life.

Darren 8 years ago

Thanks again Michael. What I'm learning and beginning to grasp is that the lower astrals aren't too dissimilar from normal physical reality.

MiBeloved 8 years ago

They are dissimilar in the sense that the physical level is the dead end of this existence. It is the point at which everything freezes up, while on the lower astral plane there is fluctuation and change and there are a wide range of frequencies to play with. But since the lower astral and physical are intimately related, one reflects on what is happening in the other. In the lower astral plane, everything seems to be physical even though it is not and this is because the energy there is just on the verge of converting into physical reality. The relationship between lower astral and physical may be compared to the relationship between thinking and acting A thought may cause an action to be executed and an action may cause a thought to be constructed. There is an interplay. Most people who depart from material bodies hang out in the lower astral level until they are drawn into the psychic energy of their future parent, and then their astral life is terminated, and the portion of the astral world which was created by and maintain by their psychic energy disappears. But that world and that reality continues for those who remain there. People are sometimes saying that the astral world is all illusion but it is no more so than this physical reality. Since one can create some things in the astral world merely by thinking of them or by imagining them, people say that such things are illusion only. But again this physical world is the same, in the sense that a manufacturer produces products on earth from using the raw materials here. In the astral world there are subtle energies which are the resource there and these are exploited by the astral beings. Just as there is a disparity here, there is one in the astral world as well. Just as some people get ahead here and some do not seem to get it ever, so in the astral world there are varying degrees of expertise and the lack of it.

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Here is something that happened last night in a lower astral dimension which is just adjacent to this physical place. I had stayed with a family in Trinidad in the year 1967, just before I came to the USA. I was living in Trinidad because my Dad was a marine pilot and he lost his job because of alcoholism. He went back to sea and his wife, my step mother, went back to Guyana which is our native place. I had no desire to return to Guyana, so I contacted my mother who was in the USA and asked her to file papers with the US Authorities for me to get a visa. I had to wait on in Trinidad and so my father arranged for a neighborhood family to board me. The parents of this family were a female headmistress and a sewing machine salesman. They had two houses and one was rented. They had four children all boys who were a bit younger than myself and who were my friends. The youngest was interested in yoga and mysticism, so I used to teach him but his father did not like it. Anyway I left Trinidad and kept in touch with them by mail. But eventually those contacts ceased. Every two or three years since that time, I usually see the father of the family in the astral world. It happens on the basis of fate, so I have no control over it. It is something like the Titanic. The iceberg is forming many thousands of years before and it is destined to be in the sea at a particular time when a large ship will be sailing into it without radar. So when they meet something is going to give and there is no point asking why the Titanic had to be there, because the question presupposes that the builders of the ship could have known all about the destiny of that iceberg. So some destined force causes me to meet this man every two years or so in the astral world. Last night I found myself in a new astral house he built in the astral world. He was not a professional carpenter but he used to tinker with building materials, and he built his own houses in his own way. Now in the astral world he is doing the same thing. When I asked him about the Mistress, his wife, he said he had not seen her for sometime and the conversation about that ended. Two of his sons were with him at that astral place and they were reluctant to do anything for him. This was their attitude long ago when he was physically present and I was boarding at their place. Anyway as he did before he asked me to do something at the house, to sweep up some sawdust and cover some holes in the floor of the building he built in the astral world. I did whatever he requested and then I left. To him I am just one of his sons and my duty is to serve as instructed, so I go along with the idea whenever I am in his presence. Even though he knows very well that he departed his body and still exists, he does not mentally consider that. It is the last thing on his mind, so spiritual topics are not discussed in his presence, because he has a mental block regarding that. The point is that he is building a house in a world, where it is not necessary to do so. But he has no choice because of his materialistic mind set. He will remain in the astral world like this for a time, and then he will be drawn into a sexual involvement of his potential parents and he will come out again as a baby with no conscious knowledge of the astral world or his previous physical body. There are many of these adjacent astral worlds and one can use them to pay off karmic debts. By doing that service willingly for this man, I am indirectly releasing myself from the karmic obligation I have because he took me into his house as a son when my father had to leave the island. My father was paying him a boarding fee but still I owed an obligation because the man treated me as a son and allowed me all privileges given to a genetic relation. So if I see him on occasion like this and render some service, I would free myself from the obligation but there is a danger which is that by serving him in this way, he will become attached to me as a son and then he will develop a desire that I be his son in a future birth. If that desire is strong it might cause me to be fated to be his son. So I have to be careful interacting with him to protect myself from that. You can build a house in any of those parallel worlds merely by mentally conceiving of it or by emotionally forming it, but still because he is attached to gross existence, he actually did a mimic physical action to build the place. Such is this astral existence.

Andrew Abraham 8 years ago

Thank you MiBeloved for this very illumined response to a multifaceted dilemma.

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