Astral character
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 7 years before Aug 04, 2018
Darren 7 years ago
Hi.
First off, thank you, as in one of the recent posts Michael mentioned that finding yourself in specific dimensions or astral levels can and probably is caused simply by a causal relationship you have to a person or group in that area. I'm in Australia and always seem to find myself back in Ireland, more specifically with school friends and my old class. It is strange that being away from home I should be dreaming about these people and places more often than I did when I was still located in that vicinity. Am i being pulled back by energies and relationships there or is it a case of me subconsciously wanting to return? Or both perhaps. If i were to say i missed home it would be my family and friends. Not necessarily old school friends and the classroom.
Secondly, on one of those visits back to school, I had a male teacher there who behaved very strange. I've encountered behaviour like this before in the astrals. His body writhed about uncontrollably, jerked and pulled weird shapes. It was like he was a robot that had an electrical malfunction. From what i remember he was teaching jibberish and me and a few classmates found this funny. One remark I specifically remember hearing was someone saying that they sometimes use similar body movements ''to help catch animals'' (then done a slight twitch/leg movement). It left me feeling curious.
On another occasion a long time back i encountered a lady in another dimension ''malfunctioning'' just like the teacher was.
Thanks.
MiBeloved 7 years ago
The astral body has desires and tendencies all of its own that has nothing to do with our conscious desire or will power. In New Age books there is this idea that the astral is under our control but that is not the truth.
Take the physical body for instance, is that really under control. Can any of us stop its deterioration and ultimate death? As Christ once remarked that we cannot even count the amount of hairs on the head. Really, think that your body is say about 17 years of age. It is youthful, your faculties are sharp. Now sit down on a bench and using your two hands alone, count the hairs on your head. Even though you have the advantage of two hands, you cannot do it. A simple thing like that cannot be done by any one of us.
These bodies, the physical and astral ones are to a greater extent beyond our control.
I had a superficial surgery in South Korea recently having to do with a recurring cysts and a tube which vented it through pores, a fistula. It is not something I designed and wanted. It came of it own accord according to the biological functions in the body. It never had my permission to be there in the first place. It never cared how I would react to it. It only had this sense of doing what it had the authority to do. So there are many things in both the physical and astral bodies of which we have no control now and will have no control over in the future.
Part of the operation of the body we do control but it is not enough to say that we have absolute control. Suppose I lose my body tomorrow, then if I take another infant form somewhere, how will I control it? I will be totally helpless when that body is born, being dependent on people in the medical profession and on relatives and also on the political and social circumstances in the area where the body takes birth.
The astral body is an impulsive form, even more so than the physical one. In the physical body for instance after it develops sexual maturity, it goes for sex no matter what. It does not care about the responsibilities implied. When it is an infant it goes crazy over what it wants and it harasses the mother, father or guardian for many things and behaves badly to intimidate the parent when it cannot get what it desires. But that is nothing compared to the craziness of the astral form.
In yoga, we are not afraid of the impulsiveness of the physical form. The real fear comes from the impulsiveness of the astral form because by that a yogi can in a jiffy lose all his spiritual advancement. The astral form is real mad after desires. It is completely crazy and has no inhibitions.
If you have some basic morality, even if you are an aborigine you might not want to have sex with your mother, say or your sister, say, but the astral form does not care about that morality. There is a story in the Mahabharata how an angelic woman who was Arjuna’s aunt petitioned him for sexual service and when Arjuna brought it to her attention that she was like a mother to him, his aunt, she cursed him to lose his sex drive when he would return to the earth.
That is how impulsive the subtle body is.
Kriya yoga has as one of its objectives, the curbing of this subtle body since unless it is curbed by the individual, there is no chance for going to any higher existence and one is doomed to the usual trails of haphazard births and deaths, taking one material body after another just to fulfill the desires of the subtle body while using a gross one. In fact when we say that a person reincarnates what we really mean is that the astral or subtle body of that person creates for itself one physical form after another, repeatedly in the hope of making its impact in the gross world because it cannot act in the gross world except through a gross body.
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You said:
Am I being pulled back by energies and relationships there or is it a case of me subconsciously wanting to return? Or both perhaps. If I were to say I missed home it would be my family and friends
MiBeloved’s Remark:
It is all of that and more. The subtle body has desires of its own and it does not need nor require your approval for the fulfillment of those desires. It is in the habit of confiscating your authority, the way a spammer may enter your computer through the Web and take your identification and use it.
What you have as desires in your conscious purview is only a fraction of the desires in the psyche and from time to time you may be compelled to fulfill odd desires, thing which you know are taboo, are not in your interest. The realization is that unless a person can squeeze out all unwanted desire-energies from the subtle body, he or she is doomed to fail in the spiritual quest. And here I am not talking about desires but desire-energies which are the subconscious foreground of full blown conscious desires.
The subtle body is an escapist form which means that if the government arrest you and put you in solitary confinement, the subtle body will simply escape anytime the physical form sleeps and then it will go about and do what it wants to do, free of the confinement. For that matter the more restriction one places on the gross body the more freedom the subtle body seems to take.
Yogis put this trait of the subtle body to use, by remaining isolated, since then the subtle body increases its travels here and there and the yogi can, in the astral world, fulfill many desires and do many things which otherwise could not be done.
When I am in South America, some people in the US are usually thinking that I should travel abroad. When I am in the USA, people in South American think that I should travel to those places. But little do they know that I do travel astrally and relate to them in their dreams.
Let me list the pressures which will cause your astral body to travel back to Ireland:
1. Your own desire for meaningful or casual relationships with persons in Ireland, regardless of if those persons had a meaningful relationship or not in the past.
2. Desires of your close friends.
3. Desires of your relatives.
4. Desires of people whom you did not know but who heard about you from your friends or relatives.
5. Desires of friends who were not close, people who were merely known to you but whom you did not form any lasting bond with.
6. Desires in your subtle body for certain fulfillments which can only be had if you are in Ireland.
7. Desires of persons who live in Ireland but whom you did not know while you were there, but who were to meet you if you stayed there. Even though you left, certain formative astral desire-energies will try to develop through pulling your astral body to Ireland to manifest those relationships. In fact the longer you stay away the more these energies will exert a pulling force to get you to return there.
These all together and individually can cause the astral body to travel in an instant over the sea and earth and reach the subtle form of people in Ireland. The reverse is also true that people in Ireland may come to you. But most of the astral travel will be done by your body, because you have the advantage of being familiar with both locations and your relatives have the power of command to pull you back there, because you were living in Ireland and you took birth in that family and you are now neglecting your duties because you are away from that location.
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You wrote:
Secondly, on one of those visits back to school, I had a male teacher there who behaved very strange. I've encountered behavior like this before in the astrals. His body writhed about uncontrollably, jerked and pulled weird shapes. It was like he was a robot that had an electrical malfunction. From what I remember he was teaching gibberish and me and a few classmates found this funny. One remark I specifically remember hearing was someone saying that they sometimes use similar body movements ''to help catch animals'' (then done a slight twitch/leg movement). It left me feeling curious.
MiBeloved’s Remark:
This is an astral experience in a special astral realm. These are freaky places where some particular tendencies or tendency and characteristic of a person show in weird forms which either projects out of the astral body of the person or show in their form in various ways.
Usually one does not go to these places but if one takes narcotics especially opium and its derivatives like heroin and morphine, even LSD, one will go to these places and witness one’s own form and the form of others in lower astral realms in all sorts of frightening configurations.
You might end up there even if you are not into opiates and downers but it will happen infrequently. It may also happen to someone who used the narcotics previously but has relapses from time to time, because the astral body is pulled into those places by the dimensional traces which were established previously under the influence of the drugs.
I have gone to some of those places in the astral world, sometimes because for some reason my subtle body strayed there, but also because of having a mission to review those places so that I can describe those situations in my books.
Even though I am advanced somewhat in meditation and in astral travel, I really dread having to go to those places. There is always the danger that one might enter such a place and not be able to get out it. The smoking of ganga and also hashish or ganga resin and some other natural drugs could cause a person’s subtle body to do down to such places.
And it is not all hallucinations as many people think. There are real astral places where such ghastly transformations occur.
