Astral Body with Mundane Interest
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before May 10, 2016
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Repeatedly I find that the astral bodies are involved mostly in mundane interest as a continuation of what occurs on the physical plane. This astral form is the one a person will be left with when the physical system is done for. Hence if the astral body only retains interest in what occurs on the physical plane, the spiritual aspirations will pan out to nil in the astral world after one becomes deceased from physical existence, which means in effect that one will be routed back into a physical species, regardless of what one says one does as a spiritual path.
Sometimes we see that a person who has a very lofty spiritual ideal or philosophy, does in his or her lifestyle pursue a very materialistic process with concerns about the income, the status, the acquirement of luxuries, the reception of service from others and so on. In other words, the high sounding words about enlightenment and spirituality do not play out on the physical side.
But the situation of the subtle body and the way it acts when the physical system sleeps is a more telling sign of what a person is and will be.
Worse yet are those spiritual aspirants who have no dream recall, even if they hide under the cover of the statement that dreams are illusions which they have no concern with. No dream recall means sleeping on the subtle side during the physical body’s sleep period, which means that the meditation practice just has not penetrated the psyche and is reliant on the physical brain for its implementation.
But there will be no physical brain after nature shuts down the physical body for good.
Then what?
Where will that person do the meditation then?
One way out of this is to think that at death of the physical system the person will become one with everything and as such won’t need to meditate anymore. This seems to be a good cop-out.
unlimitedsun 3 years ago
Personally, I find it very frustrating to aspire for advancement at the same time have to remain implicated in materialistic life style. I feel that I am trying to serve two gods in open war, and the only one who has a chance is the one who has captured my interest since birth. The dice it seems is cast.
So I ask myself if I can have real hope for, or be realistic in having as an expectation even in the distant future a consciousness that is not compelled by everyday material existence such as a work place, desires of dead, life and ghost relatives, and of course the content of my own subtle form.
Withdrawal from this battle field is not an option, and I don't see me a quitter. But what is my ammunition, what I am fighting for. Existence in this material environment is increasingly demanding a total investment of the subtle body and a complete absorption of the psyche since a few month old baby, shouldn't converting that sum of energy only be encouraged for exceptional and unique individuals?
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Michael Wrote: aspirants who have no dream recall,
unlimitedsun’s Query:
Where are the dream memories stored?
Why can’t they be recalled the same way as other activities I just did?
I was explained that they are unfinished business in the deep layer of the subconscious... such Freudian slants still do not address the immediate amnesia, as in advanced Alzheimer.
MiBeloved 3 years ago
unlimitedsun’s Query:
Where are the dream memories stored?
MiBeloved’s Response:
Dream memories are stored in the astral body but some are stored in both the physical body, the physical brain system. If during a dream experience, the astral body is synchronized with the physical one, then the dream memories might leak over into the physical side. Then the memories will be stored in the hard drive called the physical brain.
The subtle body is like RAM (random access memory), which means that it does not hold a memory as the brain would, where the memory has a hard imprint as in a hard drive on a computer.
Hence the necessity for meditation to develop psychic sensitivity. Meditation is not just about finding peace of mind, or finding something nice to void into or merge into. The real value of it is in increased subtle perception.
unlimitedsun’s Query:
Why can’t they be recalled the same way as other activities I just did?
MiBeloved’s Response:
Since the memory of the dream world is very subtle, since it is very mild and has very little imprint, it is not like the brand on the back of cattle. In the case of a brand, because it was burnt into the skin of the animal, it is quite visible. Subtle memory is more like just a brown chalk mark on the brown hide of the cattle. It is hardly seen unless you are very sensitive.
Well of course you are sensitive, otherwise why do you run here and there with so many concerns over the misery of others. But that sensitivity of yours is focused into material existence. When you are able to lift it from there and put it into subtle experience, then it will serve the purpose.
One has to train the self to do dream recall by not waking suddenly. Wake up gradually and you will be able to bring over memories from the subtle body into the physical brain, where they can be stored in the hard drive of the system. This is like when you create a file and then you take the time to press the save command. Then it is moved into the hard drive, otherwise if you close the program, the entire file is lost forever.
So when you do dream recall, if you take time to do it right, then you will develop the ability. That is the why you were told to do dream recall and to write down your dreams.
