Astral Body with Mundane Interest
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 6 years before Dec 08, 2018
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Repeatedly I find that the astral bodies are involved mostly in mundane interest as a continuation of what occurs on the physical plane. This astral form is the one a person will be left with when the physical system is done for. Hence if the astral body only retains interest in what occurs on the physical plane, the spiritual aspirations will pan out to nil in the astral world after one becomes deceased from physical existence, which means in effect that one will be routed back into a physical species, regardless of what one says one does as a spiritual path.
Sometimes we see that a person who has a very lofty spiritual ideal or philosophy, does in his or her lifestyle pursue a very materialistic process with concerns about the income, the status, the acquirement of luxuries, the reception of service from others and so on. In other words, the high sounding words about enlightenment and spirituality do not play out on the physical side.
But the situation of the subtle body and the way it acts when the physical system sleeps is a more telling sign of what a person is and will be.
Worse yet are those spiritual aspirants who have no dream recall, even if they hide under the cover of the statement that dreams are illusions which they have no concern with. No dream recall means sleeping on the subtle side during the physical body’s sleep period, which means that the meditation practice just has not penetrated the psyche and is reliant on the physical brain for its implementation.
But there will be no physical brain after nature shuts down the physical body for good.
Then what?
Where will that person do the meditation then?
One way out of this is to think that at death of the physical system the person will become one with everything and as such won’t need to meditate anymore. This seems to be a good cop-out.
Marcia Beloved 6 years ago
The above posting initially angered me.
Surya responded to it, expressing frustration at having been set up to serve nature since birth. His response and Mibeloved's followup response seem to be gone now. I wrote an initial response too but never posted it. However, since I recalled 3 vivid dreams since Michael's original post, I feel I must now respond.
What bothered me about the original post is that in my experience the dynamic of dream recall is so much beyond one's control and even beyond one's meditation practice. Maybe it is clear cut for Michael because he did not have to strive for dream recall in this birth, having much psychic ability from the get-go.
For a person like myself who has recalled few dreams (throughout the life of the current body), I have noted a broad dynamic which affects dream recall. Factors that affect my own dream recall include:
- amount of restful sleep
- efficiency of breathing while sleeping
- ability to relax the body
- mental distractions
- moods
- environmental temperature
- relationships with all kinds of people
I feel the 3 dreams I recalled this week are directly connected to sorting out my relationship with a certain relative with whom I am visiting and assisting as she recovers from an illness.
While here, it often seems that on the physical level I am idle and accomplishing little for myself. However, I have been observing and analyzing her personality and mine. As a result, I was able to realize what my role in this relationship is and what my actual duties entail. I recognized where I had magnified my role for my own self interest. Upon seeing that, I was able to extract my subtle energy of dependence and expectation. I extricated myself on the psychic level. This psychic extraction happened while I sat on the living room couch and watched TV with said relative. I still have a role to play and obligations to fulfill, but I am no longer mixing in my personal energies. My realization might be less than perfect, but I have inched closer to "right perception" and I could feel the prana moving more freely within my psyche and body as I was thinking through all of this.
Even though I did not SEE the particular nadis involved, I FELT and KNEW what was going on. I believe that this is the way of realizing something through wisdom, through knowing.
I am asserting that one may achieve increased subtle purity by realizing, and knowing. This occurred for me, outside of my sitting meditation and exercise practice, which are currently irregular.
The dreams I subsequently recalled were more vivid and visual. I speculate that they fall into the astral travel category because I was out in the open space in all 3.
Dream 1:
I was riding in a typical style office building elevator. I was going to the 12th floor. As the elevator moved upwards, it stretched its box shape and became spherical (this might have been the clue for me to know I was dreaming). It twirled around and around as it continued upward and I was spinning round and round in it. When it stopped, I found myself in the sky, hanging onto the open hatch of a military transport plane. I anxiously pulled myself up into the plane for fear of falling down to the far away ground. I was the only person in this dream.
Dream 2:
I was high in the sky, alongside a skinny tower. I must have been a hundred stories up. I looked down and saw a coastline and scattered houses below. Someone asked if I was going to jump down and I thought, you must be crazy. Then I moved into
Dream 3:
I am driving in a car with another person. We are whizzing down a country road and suddenly the landscape on the passenger side becomes a mural. The trees and grasses now look like decorated monkey faces and monkeys with beautiful streaks, as if the grasses were painted in golden and green and orange streaks to make these beautiful images of monkeys and safari type scenery. Then the car drove into a grassy loop and we were flung up into space. I was no longer in the car and could see the car far behind me, falling down to the beach below. I continued to fly through the sky and realized that I was separated from the car and would not be able to rejoin it. I looked down and saw the distant beach and groups of people scattered below.
MiBeloved 6 years ago
I did not remove the post.
It was either one of the admin people on the site or the host site software malfunctioned.
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However one should still strive for dream recall, even if one has none.
There are many things which we do either because we must or because of social pressures. For instance scrubbing the teeth each day. Actually total cleanliness of the mouth is never achieved and still we keep doing it day after day.
In the same way one should aspire for dream recall every night even if one has none of it.
There is a nice analogy used by Jesus Christ in the story about the five wise and the five foolish sexually-inexperienced young women who were waiting to be selected by a bridegroom.
The five wise ones kept the discipline which was required but the others did not and subsequently they were not selected.
Some things in life, should be aspired for no matter what, even if one fails at the achievement in the near term.
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Dream recall is hampered by the kundalini life force system. It is the single thing which hampers that. The more one is able to study one's kundalini and to find ways of keeping it in the most energized state, the more one will have that recall.
Pool 6 years ago
MB,
Just by doing Breath Infusion without actually raising the Kundalini, does the Kundalini still get energized this way?
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Yes,
Kundalini will be energised in that way.
