Asana Postures / Negative Energy Extraction

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Date: Posted 5 years before Jun 01, 2018

MiBeloved 5 years ago

A few days ago I observed a person doing near perfect asana postures. This was yoga not the muscular flexibility of a contortionist. This person was trained in yoga asana without any training specifically in pranayama breath infusion practice.

By looking at this person perform, I could tell that there was no extraction of negative energy from the subtle body. While doing anything with the physical form, the subtle form is engaged, parked as it was into the physical one. The subtle body once it is fused into the physical system must mimic the actions of the physical and must do what the physical does and go where the physical goes.

In sleep the astral body can wander on its own without having to toe the line of the physical but once the physical is awakened, the astral body must tag along in it and be coordinated with it.

Just as in the physical body, a runner may feel a deficit of oxygen and may collapse if action is not taken to compensate, in the astral body, a yogi may feel a deficit of positive energy and should act to adjust that situation.

You can do asana from here until eternity. These asanas can be done perfectly and flawlessly in terms of the form appearance to the human eye, and yet you may have a huge deposit of negative energy in your subtle body which is not being removed by the asanas.

This is similar to a person who has a constipated condition but who has taken a meticulously clean bath. Of course that person is clean externally, spotless, nice but internally the body is very foul.

Classic yoga concerns the subtle body more than it is for the physical form but the popular yoga is antagonistic to the classical system because of the obsession with physical postures without emphasis on what these can do to help with the internal cleanliness of the psyche. What has cleanliness to do with a person’s psychology?

Suppose an athlete has an increase of carbon dioxide in her bloodstream. Can she remove it just by doing yoga postures? Will stretch muscles and exhibiting great flexibility in postures, cause the carbon dioxide to be removed?

Perhaps

Specifically however carbon dioxide is removed by actions of blood movement to the lungs. Extraction of carbon dioxide is happening by the flexibility of the diaphragm not the other muscles in the body. These other muscles however can act as subsidiary aid to the diaphragm. If for instance a muscle is flexed and then relaxed in a certain asana posture, then that muscle may release carbon dioxide into the blood stream but unless that carbon dioxide is transported from that location in the body to the lungs by the pumping action of the heart and the air extraction action of the lungs, it will simply remain in that part of the body and then recombine into the same muscles all over again, never being extracted from the body.

Asana postures alone may cause chemical release of carbon dioxide by the flexing and relaxing actions of the specific tendons, muscles and tissues, but to complete that one should do something to extract the pollutions, otherwise it is likely that these will simply recombine into the body just as before and not reach the lungs for extractions.

Pranayama is the system of accomplishing this. Asanas and pranayama are the complimentary complete way of achieving this.

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Does this mean that pranayama by itself without asanas is perfect or that asana postures are inferior to pranayama?

It does not mean that. Pranayama does certain things which asanas do not achieve. Asana does certain things which pranayama does not achieve. I use both processes and find that they facilitate and help each other to achieve the result of removal of negative energy from within the psyche and cause the installation of higher levels of positive pranic force, which cause the psyche to operate on a higher plane of existence.

Pranayama alone can work without asanas if one’s cell structures are obedient to one’s will power 100%. Otherwise pranayama does not have the power by itself to pull out the carbon dioxide. It needs to take help from the stretching and flexing action of the asanas where these cause chemical release of the carbon dioxide which the pranayama can grab and transport to the lungs for removal from the physical body. This in turn is mimicked in the subtle body by the remove of apana which is the subtle aspect of the carbon dioxide.

Jettins 5 years ago

I enjoyed reading this post, excellent information that ties the subtle body and a person’s psychology. I think these are important things to learn and to reconsider time and again, to keep them in a lucid portion of our mind.

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MiBeloved wrote:

physical postures without emphasis on what these can do to help with the internal cleanliness of the psyche. What has cleanliness to do with a person’s psychology?

removal of negative energy from within the psyche and cause the installation of higher levels of positive pranic force, which cause the psyche to operate on a higher plane of existence.

Does this mean that pranayama by itself without asanas is perfect or that asana postures are inferior to pranayama?

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Jettins' query:

What are your thoughts on visiting the lower realms and the condition of your physical body prior to an out-of-body experience? Have you noticed any tendencies between sensations in your physical body and where you end up in the Astral?

Today I had an interesting OBE experience in the first portion of the night, unusual for me. It was the lower realms this is 100% certain, all the different informational cues to determine this where there. I’ve noticed higher probability of this happening mostly during naps in the middle of the day, or OBEs in the first 1/3 of the night (that is being with lower energy and visiting lower dimensions while OBE experiences).

Another person very experienced and not prone to exaggeration has the same observation (not trained in asanas and pranayama). I’ve noticed that my physical body feels a little different when this happens. There is a type of sluggish tiredness more noticeable in my physical body beforehand when I encounter these dimensions, as opposed to a lighter weight and comfortable relaxation when visiting higher realms. There are variations to this, things aren’t always necessarily so, but there is definitely a tendency.

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Jettins' query:

MiBeloved's Response:

There is relationship between the condition of the physical body and the astral form. A simple verification of this is the effects of a drunken physical body (alcohol abuse) and how the astral form performs in the astral after separating.

However in kriya yoga, the condition of the physical body is to a larger extent irrelevant even though one is required to keep the physical body in a condition where it requires the least expenditure of psychological energy during sleep.

In kriya yoga the physical reference thing is junked because that works against the yogi and keeps him earth bound, due to the mind’s constant going back to the physical to reference everything which happens astrally to it, and due to the fact that if this tendency of physical body reference is not squashed, then it will continue in the afterlife and acts as a conduit back into another woman’s uterus.

Instead of noticing those physical sensations, the yogi transfer his noticing observing interest into the subtle body and restrict it to that investigation, leaving aside the effects on the physical system, which do occur for a fact.

Jettins 5 years ago

There is no constant back and force, it’s simple observation of how the body can feel when it is not in its prime state. Of course, we are assuming that the person is not under the influence of substances like alcohol, but it can be used as a gauge on what social activities, stress levels, sleep quality might be able to do to the subtle body while still in the physical.

Once the person experiences the lower realms while understanding which physical conditions took him or her there, they might have a greater motivation to change the behavior. I am not trying to imply a “cheat” way of experiencing higher states, it is only for analysis.

MiBeloved wrote:

due to the fact that if this tendency of physical body reference is not squashed, then it will continue in the afterlife and act as a conduit back into another woman’s uterus.

Jettins' comment:

This is a great point and requires serious consideration from those not interested in returning.

Jettins 4 years ago

I came across this thread today after randomly reading older information on this forum.

MiBeloved wrote:

Jettins' comment:

Would be the same thing as saying..., in my view..

One needs to work with energies at the correct functioning level. This means that it’s not about trying to compensate for something wrong with silly repetitions, it’s about fixing the origin of the problem by facing it.

Could there be alternative ways to deal with negative energy? It appears there is. Two functioning systems would have a synergistic effect for sure.

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