Adjacent Parallel Worlds (reposted)
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 7 years before Aug 02, 2018
Dear Beloved 7 years ago
Email Inquiry:
I wanted to ask you something about a post you wrote on the site. I believe it was called "parallel worlds" or something like that...you posted it recently.
In this post you mentioned that you were in a parallel dimension in which people built their houses on trees or with a wooden pole running up and down the middle.
Are these also human beings with our same composition?
MiBeloved’s Response:
If you were able to perceive that parallel world, it would mean that your subtle body was vibrating at the same frequency of that place, and so to you, those persons would seem to be substantial. In this world for example, everything to us is solid, like the earth and another animal form. If you go out and see a cloud formation which has the shape of a human being, you won’t take it seriously because it is only consisting of air and water vapor. Except for radiation, most of what we are fearful of are things which we can see, like a physical weapon.
So when you are in a parallel world, everything there to you seems substantial. If you become objective there and realize that you are in a parallel subtle world, you will tell yourself that it is not physical. Just as in this world people who are used to walking in the dessert, dismiss mirages as just formation of air and heat taking shape.
The object seen in a mirage in the dessert might just be a subtle being anyway. It might be real to your psychic senses, but still you will not be fearful of it if you are using a physical form. You can dismiss it as being harmless because it does not have a physical register in this world.
The people in that parallel place feel as if they are of the same composition as anyone else there, just as we do here on this physical planet.
There was an interesting conversation with a physicist regarding the possibility of living in other dimensions and the guy said that in any case, if one of us crossed-over into such a world, that place would be the new normal and this place will be lost sight off immediately.
If you are here, this is real and if you are there, then that is real.
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Questions:
Furthermore, in these parallel worlds, do these "individuals" have a mythology? Do they also have prophets, religion, or a belief in the supreme being? Do they have holy books like the Gita...or maybe their version of the Gita that applies to their dimension? Do they have their own initiation systems into higher truths? Did Krishna also appear to them and revealed a way to be saved or redeemed?
MiBeloved’s Response:
In most of the parallel worlds which are adjacent to this physical place and which are inhabited by people who are deceased in reference to the earth, there is no mythology or religious opinion. This is because such places are very shifty. It is not solid like the earth which has relatively stable elements which remain in the same form or shape for some time, for years, even thousands of years. If you put a rock on a piece of dirt on a high place, it might stay there for a million years on this planet. It won’t melt away or dissipate. But in those parallel worlds, things do not remain in place, they usually dissipate in a short time, even in minutes. They do not hold solid shape as things do here.
To understand that you might imagine that a mountain here was made of brown air. How long do you think it will stay put? If any moving air comes along it will be dismantled. So in those parallel places things are very subtle and very shifty, such that people living there eventually become distressed if they do not get entry into parental bodies for coming out in this world again as a solid physical being, a baby.
Divine beings and highly advanced beings do go to those worlds, but not often. Those places do not attract such beings because the vibration of those places is not conducive to religious application. In our situation, things are solid and relatively enduring, so opinions about a God or a God creating this world, have come up. If everything here was shifty then there would be nothing substantial and so no one would want to hear about who created what or when or where.
In the Mahabharata there is an explanation given where it says that this is the world of earning pious credits and that in the hereafter one can use up the merits. It is like going to a casino. People go there to spend money not to earn it. As soon as their money is taken by the slot machines, they leave and go back to some employment to again earn money which they can spend again in the casino. So we acquire social credits by serving family, friends and countrymen in this world, and then we might go to a heavenly place hereafter and enjoy ourselves for a bit, but as soon as the merits are exhausted, we have to again take another body here to again exhibit good behavior for amassing new credits.
If you read the Gita you will see what Krishna said about that process.
The higher heavenly worlds which are beyond the adjacent parallel world, are places which are really paradise and if one goes there he or she acquires a suitable subtle body to enjoy such celestial life. But as soon as the merits run out, one finds oneself fading away from those places. In the Mahabharata and elsewhere in the literature of India, yogis wrote of King Yayati, who by his pious rulership gained a long stay in heaven and who after that time, found himself to be fading away.
He then began to perceive some human beings who were his descendants. In other words he was about to take body in the same family line in which he was in his most recent past life.
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Question:
In the Brahma Yoga Bhagavad Gita (3.8) Moral action should be done by you. Performance is better than non-performance. Even the maintenance of your body could not be achieved without activity.
Siddha Swami mentions that "it is better to act morally, than not to act at all. This means that in any given circumstance, one is duty-bound to act in support of righteous lifestyle. If one avoids a righteous act, one's subtle body will incur a blemish for indirectly supporting the irreligious way of life. Hence, it is important for an advanced yogin to be in isolation. If he remains in society, he will have to support all sorts of righteous activities and that will dissipate his energies and cause a reduction in practice. If he is unable to gain isolation, then he must engage in acts which are exemplary in the moral sense...."
Well, it's pretty clear...always lean towards righteousness in any act.
MiBeloved’s Response:
Even the founder of Buddhism who was not much into gods, deities or God and Deity, did report that he had several conversations with the Brahma Deity of the Hindu Pantheon of Deities. In fact according to Buddha, the Brahma Deity was the one who convinced him to set up a sanga, a religious sect with rules and regulation governing monk’s behavior.
Even that person Buddha laid down rules of Right Conduct, Right this and Right that. And if you take care to check what he said in the Pali canons which were written down by his direct disciples within 100 years of his leaving the body, you will see that there is so much of moral conducts which he imposed on all those who followed him.
This means that if one does not adhere to a righteous lifestyle one will imperil oneself as well as others, and the reactions will have to be faced
Human society would be a hell hole for everyone if the majority of the people were involved in criminal acts or acts which were hostile to human bodies. If for instance someone purchases an automatic rifle and begins to mow people down in the mall, well you can see that this would not be nice at all. So we have to try to select activities which aid in people’s welfare.
If someone benefits society under a religious front or under an ideological front or under a humanitarian front, then that is okay, provided that the act is for the welfare of people and is not detrimental to their well-being.
But still that does not mean that you will make spiritual advancement by doing such good acts. This is why Siddha Swami said that an advanced yogi should be in isolation since otherwise he will be duty bound to be always involved in the welfare of others and his time and energy will be dissipated like that without one onch of spiritual realization.
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Question:
However, is there a particular mentality that must follow a righteous deed? For example, an irreligious deed is usually done because of the physical pleasure that a person receives. Doing the righteous thing usually brings no satisfaction, but a yogi would know that he will get a reward for his righteous duty. However, isn't this the wrong mentality? Shouldn't we just do a righteous duty for the sake of doing it? Should it be followed by no expectation...like thinking something like "I'm doing it for the sake of doing it...I don't care if I get or not get a reward in heaven?"
MiBeloved’s Response:
People who are advance perform selfless service which fits into the framework you are suggesting, that of doing a righteous duty for the sake of doing it. However that is flawed. It is better than action with a result-oriented mentally but it is still flawed. Here is why:
Take my own situation. I have no plans to take rebirth just after giving up this body, and I knew that before I begot children and still even though I knew that I tried to stay on the straight and narrow and I tried to assist anyone else anytime I could.
So was I calculating that I would reap nice rewards in the future if I acted like that?
What do you think?
You see it is really irrelevant what I think or what you think about it. We have to try to look at the facts, which are that if I have to take another body, I will have to pull energy from my pious behavior to get that other body. How else will I get it?
It is like in the banking industry. You cannot legally withdraw money unless you have it in your account or unless the bank has issued you a line of credit. You might say to the teller, “Look I am a good man. I helped many people. I did so selflessly. Therefore give me ten thousand dollars.” But the teller won’t be concerned with anything but what is recorded as your deposit at the bank.
So in kriya yoga, one realizes how the system really operates and one leaves aside all that selfless altruistic dogma and serves with the understanding that one might have to draw merits from the activity sometime in the future.
So the attitude of the kriya yogi is this:
“I may reap benefits from this. I may donate the benefits of this to others in the future. I may just leave this environment forever and will never reap the benefits of this. Irrespective, it is still my obligation to act in a pious way and to be well-behaved.”
The yogi does not think that he is altruistic because he is not in charge of providence and he cannot guarantee that he will not have to collect his pious credits in the future..
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Remark:
Siddha Swami mentions that a yogi should seek isolation or else he will be bothered by having to do righteous duties every time and this will drain his energies. I think that there is another way that drains a righteous person's energy and that is mockery.
In today's world, a righteous duty is frowned upon. Let's say for example that some man helps a stripper with 6 kids. If he gives her 100 bucks, if one of his friends finds out, he will be asked if he had sex with her in return for the money. If he replied in the negative, then his friends may ridicule him for not getting anything in return
Therefore, I think that righteous duties must be done VERY VERY discretely because like I said, if this ridicule is overwhelming, a yogi may feel compelled to fall victim to physical pleasures because they are more immediate. The heavenly rewards are not "felt" instantly (at least for a neophyte I think) and the neophyte will fall victim due to peer pressure and self-doubt.
MiBeloved’s Response:
Humility is your best bet in most situations and one should be tolerant and understanding even to those who ridicule through a lack of a deeper understanding of human culture.
