Adjacent Astral Place

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Date: Posted 5 years before Jan 07, 2019

MiBeloved 5 years ago

This morning during the last portion of my meditation session, Srila Yogeshwarananda took me to an astral community where the deceased members of the Brahmakumari Sect reside in the astral world. These are the ones who did not become liberated and who would have to take another physical form.

When we first got there we beamed down on the surface of the place. There was an area which had fruits laid out. Many of the fruits I could not identify since I have not seen these on the earth. However there were some fruits which looked like papayas (papaws). Some looked like super large yellow mangoes. I did not astrally taste any of these so I could not verify a flavor.

In that place all the adults used bodies which looked the equivalent of a human body which was about 22-34 years of age. There were children. I noticed two who were playing. These were about 9 and 12 years of age when compared to an earth human.

No one used cooked vegetable or flesh product for food. Everyone used fruits which were in such abundance that there was no question of ever being in want. The planet was covered with vegetation in every part as far as I could survey. There was no hostility. People traveled from one place to another by mental teleportation. A person would be here and then be there instantly without using any form of transportation.

Srila Yogeshwarananda said this:

“These people stay here until they are to take rebirth on earth. These are the ones who had not achieved enough spiritual development to go to the brahma spiritual regions. Notice that there is no hint of sexual intercourse in this place No one has that idea. It is completely absent.”

Dean 5 years ago

Michael wrote:

Dean's question:

This sounds exactly like that movie just posted Astral City: A Spiritual Journey. There was a part in the movie when the mother had to take another material body for the sake of the niece. She seemed reassured that everything would work out as they planned. I feel she was just being optimistic because there is no way she could know her outcome since Nature will not allow it unless there is a consistent spiritual practice for several lives so that particular soul has access to those past life memories. Would this be a little different for the souls that reside in the dimension that you visited this morning?

MiBeloved 5 years ago

It is the same except that the leaders of the brahmakumaris sect are advanced mystics. This could mean that they could better select good birth environments. But again the risks remain because sometimes there is a sudden shift in time as in a war or in political upheaval and then all plans even of mystics do go awry.

This is why we find that some spiritual groups get bogged down into politics. It is because they are trying to create a social atmosphere in which their religious values prosper but it does not always work out.

maryada 5 years ago

The thing that I don't understand is since these are advanced spiritualist why is it that they have to come back to the earth abode to work out there growth and development. Why is there not some facility made in the place where they are so that they could continue to grow spiritually from that place?

Bhagiratha 5 years ago

Is the brahma spiritual regions a much higher location than Siddhaloka where those yogis who develop yogi siddha bodies reside?

And if the brahma regions are higher, then why do they need to again take rebirth in this physical location (earth), can they not progress from that location to progress further?

MiBeloved 5 years ago

maryada's query:

MiBeloved's Response:

Check my translation and commentary of the book called the Anu Gita because many details were given to Arjuna there about this, much more than in the Bhagavad Gita.

Even in the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna issued statements about yogis who did not complete the yoga austerities to proficiency and who went to a heavenly place hereafter and then had to take another body to complete the austerities.

This is what he said (my translation):

Arjuna said: What about the undisciplined person who has faith? Having deviated from yoga practice, having not attained yoga proficiency, what course does he take, O Krishna? (6.37)

Is he not like a faded cloud, lost from both situations, like being without a foundation? O Almighty Krishna: He is baffled on the path of spirituality. (6.38)

You can, O Krishna, remove this doubt of mine fully. Besides You, no other remover of doubt, exists here. (6.39)

The Blessed Lord said: O son of Pṛthā, it is realized that neither here on earth nor above in the celestial regions, does the unaccomplished yogi lose his skill. Indeed, O dear Arjuna, no performer of virtuous acts, goes down permanently into misfortune. (6.40)

After obtaining the celestial places where the virtuous souls go, having lived there for many, many years, the fallen yogi is born into the social circumstances of the purified and prosperous people. (6.41)

Alternately, he is born into a family of enlightened people. But such a birth is very difficult to attain in this world. (6.42)

In that environment, he is inspired with the cumulative intellectual interest from a previous birth. And from that time, he strives again for yoga perfection, O dear son of the Kurus. (6.43)

Indeed, by previous practice, he is motivated, even without conscious desire. He who persistently inquires of yoga, instinctively sees beyond the Veda, the spoken description of the spiritual reality. (6.44)

From a steady effort and a consistently controlled mind, the yogi who is thoroughly cleansed of bad tendencies, who is perfected in many births, reaches the supreme goal. (6.45)

The yogi is superior to other types of ascetics;

he is also considered to be superior to the masters of philosophical theory, and the yogi is better than the ritual performers. Hence, be a yogi, Arjuna. (6.46)

Of all yogis, the one who is attracted to Me with his soul, who worships Me with full faith, is regarded as being most devoted to Me. (6.47)

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If God said this, then you can accept it verbatim as fact.

The reason for this is the nature of the subtle body. By itself without a gross body, the subtle body has no impetus to take up the austerities because the subtle body as it is right now is a pleasure seeking form. When it is anchored to a physical system then its pleasure seeking potential is dampened sufficiently for the person to consider austerities.

It is possible to change the nature of the subtle body and when this is done it is called a yoga siddha body. However most people even the ones in a spiritual society do not take up the required austerities and so the subtle body retains its pleasure seeing aspect in full which bars consideration for doing austerities in the astral world hereafter.

The texture of a person’s consciousness at the time of passing from the body dictates what will happen in the hereafter as to whether that person will come back to take another body. Since most people have a materialistic outlook, even those in spiritual societies, it goes without saying what their situation will be.

Merely chanting holy names, or even doing austerities in some way or the other, does not necessarily remove the desire to live in material bodies. This desire remains intact in the kundalini energy, and the self follows that energy back into another body. Unless this kundalini energy can be changed, this system of reincarnation in physical forms will continue forever.

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Bhagiratha's query:

Is the brahma spiritual regions a much higher location than Siddhaloka where those yogis who develop yogi siddha bodies reside?

And if the brahma regions are higher, then why do they need to again take rebirth in this physical location (earth), can they not progress from that location to progress further?

MiBeloved's Response:

Yogis who reach the brahma higher region usually do not have to take rebirth in this place. A few however are compelled to do so because they are assigned teaching duties in the lower regions like this earth place.

Once a higher up, a deity or a yoga-guru assigns such a person teaching duties, that person can no longer stay in the brahma region. The person is forthwith expelled. In the higher regions of the brahma world, no one can stay there who is not desired to be there by the deity of those places, and so in those places there is never any incompatibility with the resident deity (God).

In such places unlike what people think, there is no freedom to do what you want, there is no free will in the absolute sense, but there is free will in circumspect sense, in that you are unable to think of anything which runs against the grain of the resident deity. Before you would think of any such thing you would be expelled from the place, or your existence would be subtracted from the place, and you will find yourself in some other dimension somewhere existing there.

The brahma regions are much higher than the siddha loka place but compared to people on earth, those who reach siddha loka have a much more integrated understanding of what it would be like to be in the brahma regions, because their point of reference is not earthly life.

From this perspective of being on earth, it is very difficult to understand what existence is like in the brahma regions. This is why, more or less, one has to adjust to the siddhaloka places first before attaining the brahma regions.

In the past however a few mahayogis have made it directly from a life on earth to the brahma regions.

There are nice descriptions of these yogis in the Valmiki Ramayana, in the first part when Rama and Laksman met the ascetic yogini named Savari.

maryada 5 years ago

One last question, where is Srila Yogeshwarannanda. Where does he reside?

MiBeloved 5 years ago

maryada's query:

Where is Srila Yogeshwarananda? Where does he reside?

MiBeloved's Response:

From all indications right now he is on the astral planes near the earth level which we are physically experiencing. This is a guess based on the energy level of his subtle body which I made contact with.

Initially after he left his physical body he was in the causal plane. This is a place where there is no society, no activity. He was there researching the nature and origins of that place.

After some time he came out. I don’t know the reason. Usually when a yogi goes into the causal plane, he can stay there for a set period of time which is based on the vibrational energy he had just before he entered that state.

This is something like napping or sleeping. In napping there is usually a period which runs its course after say 30 or 45 minutes and then the person wakes up, as we say. In sleeping there might be a longer time like 6 hours, then the person wakes up.

Entering the causal plane is not easy, but if a yogi does so, then at a certain time he is ejected from it into the subtle existence and he finds himself on a certain level in that subtle existence.

Here we know that if someone goes to sleep in a room in Chicago, then whenever that sleep session runs its course, the person will become awake in Chicago and not in Los Angeles. The same kind of event happens where a yogi, moves into the causal level from a particular plane of consciousness, from a particular status of the subtle body. As soon as the causal period of existential hibernation is over, the yogi will usually find himself to be on the plane from which he entered initially.

Due to advanced mystic practice, persons like Srila Yogeshwarananda maintains some residual self-consciousness while in the causal plane, even though for others that is not possible and one just draws a blank when one is there.

To understand what it is like to be on the causal plane, do some pranayama exercises and raise kundalini into the brain. If you are lucky and kundalini reaches brahmarandra chakra, then if you lose objective awareness for a few seconds or minutes, that is very similar to being in the causal plane.

Most entities who are in the causal plane have no objective awareness and thus for them they are practically non-existent, but if one becomes proficient at samadhi yoga, then there is a residual objectivity when one enters the causal plane.

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Srila Yogesh is no longer in the causal plane but where he is residing I do not know. This is because his situation is such that one cannot reach him but he can reach one. If he feels to help someone then he appears to that person on the astral level which that person is on.

I know that he is not on the causal plane because if he was he could not also be appearing astrally to anyone. On the causal plane it is like one’s existence is in cold storage. It is suspended for a duration.

Prasanna 5 years ago

Is there a specific loka/plane where enlightened/self-realized masters such as Ramana Maharshi, Gautham the buddha etc reside or they could be everywhere/nowhere?

Thanks !!

MiBeloved 5 years ago

Prasanna's query:

Is there a specific loka/plane where enlightened/self-realized masters such as Ramana Maharshi, Gautham the buddha etc reside or they could be everywhere/nowhere?

MiBeloved’s Response:

There is usually a specific place where the person would be but usually it is off-limits to others, meaning that even though it is a specific place you cannot go there unless you are desired by the particular master or deity.

The places where they stay are protected from disharmony, so that persons whom they do not desire to be with for one reason or the other, cannot reach those places.

If one needs assistance, and if the said master or deity feels to render help, then usually that person either comes where you are or sends an energy or an agent to render the assistance. This is what usually happens.

Persons like Gautam Buddha have to maintain interest in planet earth for centuries after their departure from a body. They do so through their agents who take birth and through their projected presence in the form of deities and shrines.

Gautam Buddha is in the Tushita heavenly world, which is a place where everyone who resides there is an enlightened being. There are no students there and no one who is not enlightened fully, except for persons who are direct spiritual offshoots of the deities. This is because the nature of the place is such that if you are not on that level, you cannot access that place or conceive of it.

Due to having duties towards helping others on the earth, Buddha sends agents and also projects his energy through deity forms (idols and paintings).

Ramana Maharshi is in a special place in the astral world. I saw him a few times in that astral place when he wanted to say something to me. His place cannot be found unless he wants to speak to you for a specific reason.

One sure way to reach these persons from the earth is to read their literature and then to practice what is advised. That is the most definite way to reach them.

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Use the search box in the menu bar. Put in the name of Ramana Maharshi, Gautam Buddha and also Nisargadatta. I am sure you will find some posts which describe where these persons are living or at least how they contact persons on earth.

Prasanna 5 years ago

Thanks a lot for your detailed response Acharyaji.

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