A murdered man in the Astral Realms
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 6 years before Dec 09, 2018
Jettins 6 years ago
My father while in Honduras met the mother of Jose Anibal. Jose was murdered when he was 25 years old because a gangster wanted his cell phone. It happened about 6 months ago and the mother is still very sad about the loss. My father trying to make her feel better said to grieving mother that her son was still alive, just someplace else. To imagine her son gone as if on a trip overseas in which he will never return, yet he is still out there living. The amount of information my father gave her about the afterlife puzzled the woman. She wondered how he knew about such things and then my father spoke about me. In short, he tells her that I will find her son in the afterlife and to see how he is doing.
All this happened without my consent, but I still can’t blame my father for trying to help. I agreed to it but I would do it under my own terms and that he shouldn’t put me in that position again.
I had no doubt in my mind that I would find him. There is this little inner voice which is really my own thoughts that I speak to sometimes to find about such things. If I get a positive emotional feedback an answer that concurs with my question will follow, or the reverse. I don’t use it often because I don’t want to unintentionally inject impurity, or to contaminate it with junk desire. Instead I use it as a knowingness boost to give my physical self so I can then take this assurance and turn it into reality in the astral realms. I might not know when it will happen, but it will happen at some point.
Experience #761 called “Visiting Jose Anibal Ruiz”, from October 2, 2012.
Suddenly I suspected I was in a dream. I went divisively to the concrete looking wall and put my fingers through it. I jumped out the window and started flying around for a bit to explore the area. On the second time I “glitched” through the ground I got the idea of visiting Jose. I flew down to the ground. Glitching the ground is easy; all that needs to be done is to close the eyes and jump. The key is to believe the jump will take you to the destination. This will usually lead to a void area or the in-between state before a new dimension is perceived. As I was falling and saying Jose’s name, I felt the touch of someone gently grabbing my back. When I took the jump I kept falling and a few seconds later a new visual scene started to fade in.
I turned around to see who had arrived with me and the guide physically looked like my father. At that moment I thought to myself the guide took the appropriate Form because it was his idea to talk to Jose. I looked around and noticed I was in a disorganized garage like you would find in many homes. I say to my father, “Don’t worry things here can change rather quickly”. Thinking back I realize that the guide also wanted to take a secondary part because he wanted me to lead, this was another reason why I perceived him as my father. We walked into a living room and see a man on the floor and a woman attending to him.
Me: Where is Jose?
Guide: that’s him, but he prefers to be called “specific nickname” pointing at the old man on the floor.
I can’t remember the nickname he said anymore, but it would be interesting to validate if had another name he liked others to call him.
Me: That old man is him?
I approached the old man on the floor and wondered why it also looked like my father as he currently looks. I kneel close to the man and say:
Me: Show your true Form, show me how you feel
The man morphed into another old man. He didn’t really morph, it was only my perception of him that changed. Why did I initially perceive him as my father? Because of what I was sensing from him by what he was manifesting for himself, I associated it with my father’s older age. I will explain later. What was interesting to me is that he still remained an older man after the morph. indirectly it confirmed that he felt associated with an older man somehow, but why? Didn’t he die at age 25?
At this point trying to make sense of why Jose looked like an older and fragile man I spoke to him. Not sick, just fragile. I don’t remember exactly what I said when I spoke to the old man so I will paraphrase.
Me: You should realize that you can bring conditions from your physical body while you were still alive into this reality, etc..
He opened his eyes as if understanding me. I could notice he wanted to know more about what I was saying.
Old man: Amh (He said something I can’t remember also makes a gesture as if he wanted me to continue)
Me: how do you feel?
Guide: He’s doing well
At this exact moment I wonder why he looked like an older man if he was doing well as the guide mentioned. I stood up and spoke to the woman attending to him.
Me: I’ve seen many others like you attending to the needs of people here on the astral realms.
Woman attending: Yes, there are many other like me. (The woman starts to feed the man what appeared to be soup)
Me: I will return one day to officially congratulate you for your service.
I don’t know why I was inclined to say that at that moment, but it’s obvious to me now. I think the woman will soon be ready to liberate herself from it.
I looked around and noticed a dining table next to the living room. A woman was sitting in one of the chairs. She was carrying a girl that looked like the clone version of herself but tiny and doll like. She stood up and welcomed me to the table. A question from one of the forums suddenly came to surface of my mind that related to the condition of Jose.
Me: Many people in the physical dimension do not know what happens after death, can I ask you about what goes on here?
Woman attending, Woman with doll: Yes
Me: If someone was to die in a horrific accident or with a terrible disease in the physical life, would they carry that ailment here?
Woman attending: Why do you ask? (Immediately looking at the guide that visually looked like my father)
I woke up.
The reader needs to realize that I can ask things in the astral realms even if I think I already know the answer. Why? Because my perspective is not a universal standard, in practice there is more than one way to get to the same destination if different choices are taken. I wanted to know how others get to a particular place and state of being in the realms and not how I can avoid it as that is a separate issue. I knew this before I asked the question. This is why it doesn’t surprise me the response from the woman suggested I had to be more specific about who I was referring too. Unfortunately because of time constrains I had to be quick instead of sitting down for a lengthy chat with dead people.
If the old man was the Jose that died at 25 only 6 months ago how could that this be?
There is no time in the astral realms only the perception of it. The events that transpire as an individual’s existence after death are dictated by their state of readiness or attainment. How one may exist can also be referred to as the experience required toward a new state of readiness or attainment.
I do not know what Jose’s beliefs where in regards to existence beyond, but I will try to extrapolate based on what I saw. In this particular case it appears to me Jose did not feel he was ready to die so he continued living his life in the realms until old age. We can’t know for sure how much perception of time he created for himself to be in that older state. One thing we do know is that his existence was physical like. He matured to be an old man based on whatever events he created for himself to reach that point.
But why did you arrive when he perceived himself as an old man? Because in his mind he had to reach maturity to be able to understand certain things, a state of readiness. Arriving before would have been useless as he was probably stuck in a domain where he was not ready to consider anything but his linear physical existence. He wouldn’t have understood me even if I tried which is why I was brought to his self-perceived maturity. I also arrived at a point in his existence where he was ready to release the non-sense I was not going to be part of before, my state of readiness for this particular individual. The astral realms are about sensing and acknowledging. It is how you may find or not find other individuals to interact with, those that fit compatible readiness states defined by their purpose, intention and emotion - intentional, unintentional or unknown.
Why was this allowed to happen, I mean I’ve read stories that people get saved? People need to be saved from themselves, besides the guides where I come from are helpers not enforcers. When I spoke to the old man he was very interested in trying to understand what I said to him. It appears he was finally starting to reach the readiness state to be able to move out of his dilemma.
Why didn’t you talk to him about his mother? The last thing this particular individual needed was to be reminded about his physical life. In the domains I venture to we allow people to have their will/choice within their own psychological universes especially if it’s not ours, even if the specific experience isn’t directly beneficial.
Who were the woman and the clone humanlike doll? I do not know, but he had a wife and a daughter. I did not know he had a family before my visit.
MiBeloved 6 years ago
This experience is great for those interested in astral projection and also OBE without the interest in kriya yoga practice.
I will explain a few things from the kriya yoga stance, just to clarify the difference between the two paths, not as a critique of the experience, because as I said in the first sentence, this is great otherwise.
First of all a student yogi is not permitted to share his advancement with persons who are not fellow yogis. Of course in my own case, I do not set that example because my experiences are in books and on the Internet. But still the general rule is that the student should not tell others of his progress and should not under any circumstance discuss with others who are not fellow students or who are not more advanced, any development of occult powers or mystic perceptions.
The reason is that if a student does this, it is likely that he or she will lose the advancement which causes the powers to manifest in the first place. Therefore the restriction is in the interest of progress.
It is always risky to let others know about your progression if those persons are not fellow students or more advanced persons. This is because what usually happens is that people then make demands on the yogi to fulfill their whimsical and even meaningful desires.
We see that as great a person as Jesus Christ had to run on occasion from people who wanted him to do miracles for them. He is the Son of God in real terms (not potentially) and still with all the power he has, he was having some trouble with this issue of people exploiting his abilities. It is therefore sensible that yoga students do whatever they can not to reveal their abilities to others.
In the Anu Gita when Arjuna asked Lord Krishna to again show the supernatural situation which supersedes material existence, Krishna insulted Arjuna and refused to repeat the display of the apparition. Was this because Arjuna was asking for the fulfillment of a whimsical desire?
The other thing is that a student has no time to be fulfilling the desires of others, because as it is anyway, the student realizes that he or she is short on time for practice and for association with advanced yogis. Hence to find time to do things physically or astrally for others is an inconvenience for a yogi. The world presses on a yogi from all sides with demands, therefore it is a requirement that a yogi be in isolation just to ease up on these demands.
The other more important issue is that if a yogi interferes with others without knowing their past lives, then he might do something which in the short term benefits those other persons but which ruins them for real in the long term.
How does a yogi know what to do?
Can he rely on his intuition, thinking that it knows the person’s past life subconsciously and thus will make decisions in the long haul?
How can a yogi know if a disaster of someone is really a blessing in disguise and that if he reverses that or alters that in any way, it will cause real havoc in the person’s future?
So a yogi has to be careful and not rush to help others, or to fulfill commitments made by others which the yogi is expected to fulfill.
Once a yogi lets others know that he has some psychic ability, he is toast because inevitably those persons will think up plans to use the yogi so that his abilities become serviceable in the material world.
I deal with this all the time but for me, it is not so much of a problem because the people who are aware of my ability, mostly know that I am a crazy yogi who curses people and insults them left and right. People avoid planning to ask me for anything in fear that I would say something that is mean and harmful, which I am known for.
Siddha Swami Nityananda use to hurl bricks at people who would come to see him with plans to ask him mystic favors. He would do some serious damage to their bodies with large bricks and they would never return but would go about saying that he was a phony yogi, which was just what he wanted people to believe.
People sometimes have this idea that I should be nice to everybody but that is not in the interest of a person who strives to be a siddha, because in the afterlife if one reaps the benefits of being nice to everybody, that means taking another material body under the force of those persons’ desires and abandoning the path of the siddhas.
Everything has got its price, so once a yogi knows what he wants, he has to get information about the cost and then he can decide which direction he wants to be pulled in.
Another thing that relates to this is the yoga guru. For instance in my case, if Srila Yogesh heard that I was helping someone to talk to their deceased son or to get a communication so as to pacify loved ones who are left back on earth, his association would be abruptly cut off.
He will think like this:
O those people are your concern. These are your friends. Their desires are your business. Okay, let that be your destiny. Reincarnate with them.
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As I said at the beginning of this response, this is not a critique of the experience or of the intentions of Jettins but it is an opportunity to clarify the situation of the yogic path in terms of mystic ability.
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As a foot note, when I first was in communication with Alfredo on LinkedIn, I insulted him and he was very hurt by it but in his case somehow he realized my trick. As a result, I am now stuck with the guy.
So if a small ship takes in too many passengers, it will sink.
There is what is called a phimsol line. I learnt of this from my father on ships. What happens is that a ship can take in more passengers when it is in salt water than it can in fresh water. Therefore if a captain does not check the line and moves from salt to fresh water with a full load, then the ship may go down.
In other words even if a yogi can help five students in this world, when he leaves the body that amount might cause him to take an haphazard rebirth in which he might lose all his advancement and become some New Age freak or something like that.
With Alfredo it is different because his yoga-guru is actually covering him. I am just assisting Swami Hariharananda. Swami told me, "Just give him a little push. That is all. He won't burden you down and ruin your progression."
Jettins 6 years ago
Interesting. You know Michael I've come across you four distinct times while in the Astral. Three times it was you distinctively approaching me that I sensed which then created non-lucid experiences. Why do I think this? Well because of what you said. I am not into astral gossip, but I could e-mail the short occurrences to you.
