A kundalini Junkie?
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 5 years before Jul 24, 2017
unlimitedsun 5 years ago
Dear Guru,
You wrote: It is very important to free the self from the need for sensation and to train the self to be patient and wait for results in meditation. If one hangs on to a hasty attitude and continues craving sensation, then it will spoil the practice and further delay the advancement. It will also cause you to not learn how to listen to yoga gurus who might enter your psyche to advice you.
Please advice on raising kundalini forcefully and awaiting the "head rush". I consider myself to be athletic even a bit on the daring side, as I have gone as far as doing a sky dive (in tandem). This attitude is clearly carrying over into my practice. I would gamble that in this case as well too much of a good thing can be detrimental. Somehow I feel like a kundalini junkie already!
MiBeloved 5 years ago
A change in attitude is required.
One has to be like a son or student and then one can learn this process.
The left over attitude from the previous social life has to be junked.
You cannot learn anything if you maintain the excitement driven attitude because then that attitude is in charge, that attitude is the teacher and you will be resistant to any teaching which is offensive to the excitement needs.
You are aware of the story of Puranjana*. The City of Bhogavati is the City of Excitement, just as we have our Las Vegas, our Paris and London. But Puranjan was not a very good student and as a result at the time of departure from the body he left through the lowest chakra.
If you cannot abandon the excitement profile, then it means that you are not ready to advance any further and that is fine.
There is a whole eternity out there in the realms of time, for you to get over that mood.
There is no rush to grow out of it but we cannot work as a teacher under its stipulations.
Our teachers would not permit it.
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*find Puranjana file here:
http://www.inselfyoga.com/m/files/view/Puranjana-Life-Force
Rich 5 years ago
This makes me think that if you try too hard to be someone you currently are NOT, your mind is getting in the way.
And how anyway can your logical mind make you into or get you to a higher experience if you are not there yet?
We need to be silent, NEUTRAL, and empty, easier said than done but do-able.
I use my excitement energy while preparing to meditate, burning sage or incense in the room, turning off all the lights, preparing to say a prayer or do a ritual, stretching....I get a bit excited about this stuff...then once I sit
I only pay attention to the breath to calm my mind then when I empty out I just FEEL and SENSE with no expectations
I JUST be EMPTY! Then things happen on their own.
MiBeloved 5 years ago
Rich,
I like that about using the excitement energy.
Sounds like you have a handle on it and in that way it is not directing you but it is still being expressed. But it is not ruling you and dictating what you should suck out of your spiritual practice.
Real nice way of dealing with this.
Rich 5 years ago
One thing for sure, everything is a process and being more conscious of your emotions is being MORE CONSCIOUS.
One of my favorite sayings: "Are you in control of your emotions or are your emotions in control of you?"
It is also a process to be able to have NO EXPECTATIONS!
MiBeloved 5 years ago
It is hard not to have expectations because when looking for spiritual answers, we are usually coming from a life of frustration in the material world. Having tasted some pleasures there and then getting burnt in one way or another, the next thing is to find a spiritual path which will fix everything and give happiness.
So at first a person is hunting for happy sensations in order to justify leaving aside materialistic life for spiritual goals.
But eventually some maturity should develop and we should get out of the fix of always living for some pleasure or reward. Then we can give spiritual discipline a fair shake.
What you are saying tallies with something from the Gita, a thing about duality. In the Gita duality is not about being out of oneness with everything. It is about happiness and distress, sukha/dukha in Sanskrit, where Krishna told Arjuna to split off from that and to be neutral to all these dualities like heat and cold, ups and downs.
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mātrāsparśāstu kaunteya
śītoṣṇasukhaduḥkhadāḥ
āgamāpāyino'nityās
tāṁstitikṣasva bhārata (2.14)
mātrāsparśāḥ — mundane sensations; tu — but; kaunteya — O son of Kuntă; śătoṣṇasukhaduḥkhadāḥ = śăta — cold + usna — heat + sukha — pleasure + duḥkha — pain + dāḥ — causing; āgamāpāyino = āgama — coming + apāyinaḥ — going; 'nityās = anityāḥ — not manifested continually; tāṁs — them; titikṣasva — you should cope; bhārata — O man of the Bharata family
O son of Kuntī, mundane sensations which cause cold and heat, pleasure and pain, do come and go. Cope with them, O man of the Bharata family. (Bhagavad Gita 2.14)
yaṁ hi na vyathayantyete
puruṣaṁ puruṣarṣabha
samaduḥkhasukhaṁ dhīraṁ
so'mṛtatvāya kalpate (2.15)
yaṁ — whosoever; hi — indeed; na — not; vyathayantyete = vyathayanti — afflict + ete — these mundane sensations; puruṣaṁ — that person; puruṣarṣabha — O bull among men; samaduḥkhasukhaṁ — steady in miserable and enjoyable conditions; dhăraṁ — wise man; so — he; 'mṛta tvāya = amṛtatvāya — to immortality; kalpate — is fit
O bull among men, these mundane sensations do not afflict the wise man who is steady in miserable or enjoyable conditions. That person is fit for immortality. (Bhagavad Gita 2.15)
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You have stated it as no expectations. That is really the same thing. Arjuna was gunning for a good life and for good results in the Mahabharata Civil War struggle and then when Arjuna realized that it was all going to be blood and death, he freaked out.
There is no pleasure in that for a decent person, so Arjuna became despondent and told Krishna, “Look this is a downer. I am not going to do it. There is no pleasure in this.”
So Krishna was questioning Arjuna, saying that no sane person was there for the sake of getting pleasure or unhappiness.
It took a while but Arjuna snapped out of it and became neutral.
Down here in the material world, we are always trying to suck some juice, to get some enjoyment out of everything and if we cannot get that we turn sour and sulky. Then again as soon as we see that there might be some enjoyment, we go running for it and then when that turns sour in our faces, we sulk again. This is being repeated.
So in spiritual life one has to get off of this see-saw way of living.
Sugar in the Coca-Cola and salt in the hamburger. That is what we are chasing. So what about a balanced diet?
