A fake Spiritualist
Meditationtime Forum Post
Date: Posted 3 years before Jul 31, 2016
MiBeloved 3 years ago
Jan 21st 2013
This morning I reflected on the factor of slow spiritual progress and the acceleration of the same.
I determined after inspection of the energies, that slow spiritual progress is due to materialistic association. That one factor is enough to kill the progress of a yogi. It could be that I spend a life time of practice in a mediocre way which will not pay off at the end, because it never consolidated enough to cause a deep enough meditative state and a permanent upliftment to a much higher plane.
There are two powers vying for control of the life of a yogi. These are:
· The yoga-guru advanced entities who are pulling the yogi in the direction of completing the necessary disciplines in the ashtanga yoga process.
· The materialistic social entities who pull the yogi in the direction of working for social betterment in the material world, and for doing superficial spiritual practice which lead nowhere.
Which of these powers will win out?
More than likely the materialistic influence will win, because mostly the energies are in the favor of aiding that. Even in cases where the yogi does well at practice, we find that this materialistic influence prevails, where in the end, the yogi turns out to be a farce, a fake spiritualist, a rabid spiritual master of theory only, a phony.
Alfredo 3 years ago
I find your conclusion correct.
The pull of material nature is so strong that all the strings attached to it help in the direction of the snare and it is very difficult for someone to break loose from it.
However, that should not be a consideration for anyone not to try (and I am not saying you imply that at all, just my take). The fact that help is there from the yoga-gurus and certain scriptures should be sufficient cause for hope. This hope must be based on eternity and the sobering fact that...what is the alternative?
Recently in one of those Sunday chats here (the ultimate waste of time, by the way, if you ask me, and a hindrance to the aspiring yogi), someone compared himself to another by saying "I am about half your age". The implication is "I have a lot to learn, a lot to catch up to and you are cooked"...But do you, really? For that is like looking at a glass with contains half its volume in water...Is it half-empty or half-full? Depends of how you look at it. For if you are half my age, it also means that I was already here all that time...And...where were you?
Thus, considerations of age, of whether the practice of yoga was started late in life, and such negative impediments, thinking I am too old, or stiff, or stupid, this and that, although essentially correct, are finally just...baloney!
The time is Now. The time for the practice of yoga is RIGHT NOW. Even if you have one breath left, there is still time for practice and devotion to the Lord.
MiBeloved 3 years ago
From LinkedIn:
Peter wrote:
What if a yogi can remain detached from material wealth even though he makes tons of money? This is not a bad thing as he would then be in a position to channel his wealth to the people who are in need.
It is all in the mind and the ability to control the ego, isn't it?
MiBeloved’s Response:
Most of the renunciant ascetic leaders who have reputations to lose and spiritual infamy to gain are not able to do it, so why should anybody else?
All in the mind? Really!
Some figment of reality which became conscious of itself within the last 100 years, and it is all in his mind?
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Peter wrote:
Michael, i guess you have a point there. even buddha had to give up his cozy life in order to progress spiritually. do you think buddha would have treated material wealth with nonchalance (if he were to receive them) after gaining enlightenment?
MiBeloved’s Response
I cannot answer that question unless I use pure speculation which would be unfair to history. However one way to investigate that Peter, is to consider what the astrologers told Buddha’s father at his birth ceremony where they said that something to the effect that this boy, would either be a world conquering monarch or the supreme ascetic.
So that tells us that for him fate offered one of two alternatives. We know the path of the supreme ascetic which history has borne. The one about his being a world conquering monarch on the order of say Genghis Khan would have been full of sexual excesses. Recently some person, who was investigating genes, said that nearly everybody alive today in Europe has a gene from Genghis Khan because the guy had so much sex with so many thousands of females.
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In India however there was, at least so the Puranas say, the royal lineage of kings who were called Janak. People think there was one King Janak but that would be like saying that there is only one Indra or only one Brahma. The fact is that Indra is really post not a person. It is a post taken by different persons in different era. Janak of Mithilya is also a post.
Anyway according to the history, these kings who were named Janak, once they took the position, were all self-realized people who treated material wealth with nonchalance (to use your terms). How did they do it? The secret to understanding this is to study what Krishna taught as Karma yoga to Arjuna, where they were taught how to apply their yoga proficiency in rulership duties. This karma yoga was so specific, such a hard skill to acquire, that Krishna said that he was the only one who could teach it.
