A dead couple in the Astral Realms
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Date: Posted 6 years before Dec 15, 2018
Jettins 6 years ago
#798 – A dead couple in the Astral – November 8, 2012
I woke up from a strange yet interesting lucid dream. I didn’t move in an attempt to re-enter using a DEILD (Dream Exit Induce Lucid Dream) strategy. To understand DEILD one would have to understand the opening windows on when OBE experiences are more easily attainable. I think DEILD in itself is not a technique as it can have so many variations. It is really an opening window that can be utilized to enhance awareness when the body naturally enters the astral domains.
I felt a twirl in my head, a type of localized spinning sensation in my forehead. It triggered awareness of my state. There was no gap in consciousness as I transition into the dream state. My lucidity became enhanced. I got up from the bed. The environment felt somewhat dense. I could walk but only at a slower rate at first. No detectable force holding me down. The density was caused by coming in contact with the particular astral environment. It became an indication on the state of my subtle body at that particular point.
Experiences in the astral aren’t necessary linear, the astral will also work with you by bringing you to certain places by what you might have to offer. At this point I wasn’t in the preferred state of course, but as I was to find out there was something I could do. One could ask why even bother doing things in the lower realms? It could be the reason why we don’t have conscious OBE experiences daily. Aiming high into the higher realms is great, but if you’re not ready you not going to go there even if you wish. If you only fit into the lower realms yet and you don’t want to have those experience then what? Your psyche might be unintentionally blocking awareness of the lower realms making conscious OBE experiences more difficult. Those wanting to have OBEs to find out things about themselves should be aware of this.
The astral is the place to confront who and what we are. If we try to hide/reject/deny ourselves even unintentionally and for our “benefit” the astral will grant us unawareness and insensible ignorance. The only way to effectively navigate the astral realms is by flowing with the intelligent forces of creation and working on behalf of them. If you discover and create how you fit in its plan you will be granted special permissions.
I walked out of my bedroom. The density of the environment became less and less the further away from my bed. My house had the same general layout. There was a young couple outside my bedroom in short hallway.
Me: How are you?
Woman: (specific names given, last name sounded particularly familiar)
Me: yes of course you are that couple that I met. (Thinking: I think they were my neighbors)
I no longer remember the identity of this couple, but they felt very familiar at the time. They looked in their low forties. Most of the conversation exchanges where in Spanish, which to me is unusual.
Woman: Yes, we died…
Me: (attempting to finish her sentence) but that’s ok because now you are here and things are good.
My idea was to inject positive thoughts into their dull reality to influence their thinking. I’ve realized that it’s something that can be done at times.
Man: (an unconvinced look in his face) I don’t know about it.
I could sense the disappointment of being taken away from their physical life as if unexpected and quickly.
Me: Right now I am sleeping in my bed and you’re here. (Said to enhance awareness of my state and enhance lucidity)
They walked away and I followed. I see a little boy further into the house. The blackness in his eyes was particularly large and they slowly moved in circles.
Me: I’ve seen you before, do you recognize me?
Boy: no (shaking his head)
Me: Of course, I looked different to you at the time (Thinking: that’s why he doesn’t recognize me)
My speech and that of the couple and the boy where very clear to me. It did not garble up or became difficult to understand. It became the sign at the time that I was in the correct line of thinking. It triggered the next question.
At this point the man has grown to be taller to about 7 feet tall.
Me: Do you realize that in here we can shape shift?
Man: (reluctant face)
Me: You are the psychological manifestation based on the compilation of all the experiences you’ve had in your life. But you can change and adapt to it.
Man and woman: (looking as if they understood but where unaware how to go about it)
There was more casual conversation regarding this issue but I no longer remember.
Me: Have you seen angels?
Man: Seen what? (I could sense his inability to process the information, to him it was as if he couldn’t hear me properly)
I realized that it was something he wasn’t able to relate to. In the astral realms miscommunication can happen when there is no pre-existing frame of reference. When another individual is unable to re-create meaning of what you’re trying to convey. Imagine speech and language as symbols, our speech has meaning if symbols can be processed and understood. In the astral inability to properly understand the significance of the symbols can result in garbled language as there is a misalignment of the psyche of those involved. As a result an individual can unknowingly block themselves rendering many astral possibilities inexistent.
Me: Have you seen Angels or advance beings? (Attempting to add more information he could relate too)
Man: Aanngels??? Oh no, none of that!! (Looking very sure of himself)
There was a man standing across the living room, I only noticed him until he spoke.
Man 2: What I’ve seen is an army at (specific place)
Man: oh yes, I’ve seen that forming (I could sense him getting worried)
Me: (Thinking: Michael beloved was right (as opposed to the new agers). The control structure seems to be spilling into the astral dimensions)
The control structure is up to no good.
The man and the woman went on their way. The boy remained and he walked out the house.
Me: boy, there is something you need to remember. Go over what happened here there is a tendency to easily forget what goes on in these dimensions.
I repeated most of the things written here. The boy starts to climb a ladder outside the wall of the house to get to the roof.
Me: There is no need to do that, you can fly up there.
I grabbed him and we flew up together. I woke up.
The information here is about 1/3 to a half of what was actually said, the rest I can’t remember. There is nothing scripted, embellished or enhanced about the experience itself to make it more relatable and re-assuring. It is what it is for some.
MiBeloved 6 years ago
Jettins wrote:
I felt a twirl in my head, a type of localized spinning sensation in my forehead. It triggered awareness of my state. There was no gap in consciousness as I transition into the dream state.
MiBeloved's Response:
There has to be a gap in such a shift over to the dream state but if it occurs too rapidly, it is not observed. Imagine the case of the man who was blindfold and whose ears were blocked with wax. He was taken aboard an aircraft and was transported to another country but he had no idea that happened.
Nature is all about keeping her secrets under tap so that no one, not even a human being, can understand what she is doing. When there is a shift from one level of consciousness to another, there must be a gap, there must be some activity, some vibrational shift and most of all something is behind, something psychological. Nature won’t allow you to carry all your psychological baggage over into the other dimension. It will strip you down and seize certain items like a customs department when one either leaves or enters a country.
But can you see how the customs officer removes the items or even puts special items into your baggage which were not there before?
The various sensations, the localized spinning, any noises etc, any increase or decreased vision, should be noted and one should try to figure what is controlling or operating that.
When you use a key to scratch an ignition system in a car, you know very well that a starter has turned a flywheel, which in turn caused pistons to rock up and down etc. The driver does not do all of it but the driver can observe how it’s done. So one can, if one has the interest, study this system of switching. This is part of kriya yoga practice to understand the components of the psyche and how they interact and operate.
Jettins 6 years ago
Interesting post. I think you might be right. It would be better to say that there was no perceived gap in consciousness. Maybe there was a gap yet it didn't feel that way to me at that particular point. That would make sense on how others pause and resume activities and being unaware it has happened. Linear perception of time does not necessarily mean it is really so because there are many time-lines merging in the astral domains.
It would be valid to assume it can happen through the stages as one enters into the astral states of being.
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MiBeloved wrote:
Nature won’t allow you to carry all your psychological baggage over into the other dimension. It will strip you down and seize certain items like a customs department when one either leaves or enters a country.
But can you see how the customs officer removes the items or even puts special items into your baggage which were not there before?
Jettins Reply:
This a very interesting point. I have an experience just a few days ago that seems to speak clearly to this. How some experiences seem to be very well designed for the purpose of helping to remove away the particular baggage that does not fit with the plan. This has been happening since the very beginning actually. Adept astral beings might be able to help.
MiBeloved 6 years ago
For you the main reason why you are not seeing the transfers in slow motion is your lack of interest. Once you develop the interest it will become perceptible.
Your psyche is wired just to get you on the astral side and do activities there.
Now a person who is doing kriya yoga is not much interested in the astral system. The priority then is the various operations in the psyche, to see those under magnification.
Sometimes in meditation, even when doing it in difficult postures like the full lotus (padmasana), a yogi falls asleep and then wakes up on the astral side in the subtle body. But when he returns to the physical body again, he is pissed off, because he thinks about nature in this way:
She cheated me again. I did not see how the transfer was done. I was relocated just like that and don't know how I got to the other side or even how I got back to this side.
Because the astral side which the subtle body is usually transferred to is a place which routes a yogi back to another body in this physical world, the yogi is not interested in nature's gimmicks of transfers to that place. But he does want to know exactly how nature pulls off such stunts which even the human beings, mostly, cannot do.
Going to the astral world like that is like if a person catches a small boat from Libya to go north across the Mediterranean. Then somehow the boat is stopped by Italian coast guard. So yes, the person does get to set foot in Italy but only for a few weeks and then at his native's country expense (the karma of his family), he is sent back to Libya.
So again and again after being deceased one goes to those adjacent astral worlds and again and again one is arrested by Nature’s circulation process and one has to again repeatedly take an embryo either as human, animal or less.
So seeing this situation, a yogi decides to beat the system by studying it more carefully. In the Mahabharata, there is a story about a yogi called Mudgal. He mastered much of the yoga process and so a supernatural being named Indra who supervises one of the astral heavens, sent an astral spacecraft to get the soul of Mudgal. Between Mudgal and the angelic pilot there was a conversation something along these lines:
Celestial Pilot:
Please leave aside your old material body and get into the celestial conveyance. I was instructed to honor you and to bring you to the god of the paradise world. By your austerities and conduct you earned residence in the heavenly world.
Mudgal:
So what is the situation in that place? What are the glories of that place and what are the hang-ups. It would be best for me to weigh the pros and cons before taking passage there.
Celestial Pilot:
The beauty there is legendary. The pleasures there are beyond compare. The bodies there are extremely beautiful. There is no dust there. And in fact you will be honored with servants and every conceivable opulence there. Come honored sir, get into the celestial conveyance and leave that disgusting material body here.
Mudgal:
Yes, but you have not said anything about the disadvantages. What are they?
Celestial Pilot:
Since you insist I will describe that there is a fault for people like you when you get there, which is that when the effect energy of your austerities and good acts peter out, you will fade away from that place and will find yourself in the lower astral world, from which you will be born again as a creature of the earth.
Mudgal then replied,
Okay since that is the situation, since that is the way it will end there, I am not interested in it. Please leave from here immediately with your celestial facilities. I will stay on the earth until I can figure out how to go to a higher place from which I won’t be routed back into this physical existence again.
Jettins 6 years ago
Michael,
Interesting post, you seem to be reading in between the lines. The celestial plot puts things into perspective. I will think about this sometime before I reply.
