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MiBeloved 3 years ago

In other words we are all part of Krishna. Just like the rays of the sun are part of the Sun. We are equal is quality with Krishna. He is the whole and we are the parts of the whole.

MiBeloved’s Response:

This argument is a rebuttal to the statements of Shankaracharya mostly, and later Ramakrishna Paramhamsa. It is an old argument which is repeated again and again even in discussions like this where it is not even appropriate.

The sampradaya is stuck with this argument like the scratches on those vinyl records. It is disgusting. These people should move on.

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Alfredo Query:

Now, I just finished your book "Krishna Cosmic Body" and I am confused.

Krishna as a person who existed in flesh and blood, was He the avatar mentioned in the Hindu Vishnu Puranas?

MiBeloved’s Response:

According to the Krishna Cosmic Body book which is known otherwise as the Markandeya Samasya of the Mahabharata, Krishna who existed in flesh and blood, is the Supreme Person. This is what the book is all about. It is the evidence provided to Yudhishthira by Markandeya Yogi, based on Markandeya’s experience. He pointed to the flesh and blood person, identifying that person as the one whom he had the experience with.

The Puranas are 18 in number with some brief Puranas which are known as Upapuranas. So in these Puranas different deities of the Hindu pantheon are accredited as the Supreme Person. There is also the particular Purana which is dedicated to a female deity, to Devi, Shiva’s wife. That is the Devi Purana. It rivals the Srimad Bhagavatam which glorifies the same Krishna you are querying about. In fact in some parts of India, that Devi Purana is called the Bhagavata Purana so as to rival the Srimad Bhagavatam which is known as the Bhagavata Purana.

If you sit down and study the Puranas without bias, without being fanatical about any of these deities, you will see that in each Purana, the deity extolled in that text is presented as the Supreme Person.  In the Shiva Purana, Lord Shiva is presented as the Supreme Person and incidences are provided for amply support of that. In the Vishnu Purana, Vishnu is presented as the Supreme Deity and there is evidence to support that. In the Bhagavata Purana, Krishna is presented as the Supreme Deity and there is evidence to support that. In the Devi Purana Devi, a woman goddess is presented as the Supreme Person and Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma are presented as her loyal servants.

So this is the story of the Puranas.

The Vishnu Purana in particular was supposed to be composed by Paraashara Muni who was the father of Vedavyasa, who penned the Bhagavata Purana (Srimad Bhagavatam). In that Vishnu Purana, Krishna of the Mahabharata is an avatar of Vishnu. But in the Srimad Bhagavatam, Krishna is presented by Vyasa as the source of this Vishnu.

This means that the father said that Vishnu was the source of Krishna and then the son said that Krishna was the source of Vishnu.

There is a famous statement from Canto one of Srimad Bhagavatam to the effect that Krishnas tu bhagavan swayam, which is to say that

Furthermore (tu) Krishna the son of Devaki, is himself (swayam) the God (bhagavan) and he is not an avatar of anybody (including Vishnu or Narayana).

So that is the presentation in the Srimad Bhagavatam. You can take it or leave it. What can I say?

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Alfredo Query:

What is the Supreme Person?

MiBeloved’s Response:

I will give my opinion based on scriptural evidence and based on personal mystic experience. I cannot provide you with sensual objective evidence. My opinion is that Krishna is the Supreme Person. Don’t ask for further proof because I am not the kind of person who will throw statements from a book at you. Where I have personal mystic experience about this, I can only share that as my experience. Since I cannot give you that experience, then it fails as conclusive evidence for you.  But I have given my honest opinion based on both scriptural research and also mystic experience.

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Alfredo Query:

What is Vishnu/Krishna relationship to Narayana?

MiBeloved’s Response:

Vishnu and Narayana are the names of one category of divine being. Shiva is also the name of one category of divine being. Brahma is also the name of one category of divine being.

If I say the President, then you know that right now the President of the USA is Barak Obama but if I am speaking generally, then the word President could mean him or Bush or Washington or any past or future presidents of the country. In other words president is a class of people who do a certain function.

Vishnu is a class of diving beings. This same class is called Narayana in particular incidences in particular applications of themselves. For instance, in the military the President of the country is not called the President. He is called the Commander in Chief. Because of his function in that situation, he is given a different title.

So Vishnu and Narayana point to the same class of divine beings. Any of these divine beings may be called a Narayana or a Vishnu.

This also implies and it actually means that Godhead is plural. Judaism gave us stress on a monotheistic Godhead and even today the whole western world bows at the feet of the Jews for that reason. But in Hinduism that simplistic way of considering the divine is superseded with the real truth which is that Godhead is plural without being polytheistic, without having competition in the Godhead.

Actually the Bible in Genesis begins with a plural Godhead with the statement,

Let us create………….

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Alfredo Query:

Who is Krishna finally? What is his relationship to Brahma and Vishnu, mainly, and even Shiva?

MiBeloved’s Response:

Krishna is the Supreme Person and he is related to Vishnu the way the President of the United States is related to the Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States.

He is related to Brahma, the way the President is related the Vice-president or to the Secretary-of-State.

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Alfredo Query:

What is all of them relationship with Brahman?

MiBeloved’s Response:

Brahman is the term from the Brahma Sutra and was the main subject of research of the Upanishadic rishis. It means the entire spiritual existence and whatever that entails. Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu are persons who best reflect and indicate that spiritual existence when these deities are manifested in the material world. This is because these deities are not overwhelmed as the limited entities (jivatmas) are overwhelmed. These deities are resistant to the material energy and thus their focus in and of the brahman is maintained to a greater degree when they are manifested in the material creation.

Alfredo 3 years ago

Michael!

I bow to you in deep appreciation for the great Vidya explained above, and for your help and time.

Swami Shriyukteshwar: Avidya is the perception of the non-existent; or the non-perception of the Existent.