Continued from above…

MiBeloved's Response:

Why speak to your physical body? When the astral body separates from the physical one, the entity that used the physical body becomes transferred into the astral one and there is no one left in the physical body to answer questions. The life force is left in the physical body when the astral body is separated. It is only at death of the physical form that the life force actually exits once and for all from the physical form. But that life force will answer no questions. It will merely keep the physical body alive with the minimum functions going in the body, like the breath and some basis vital functions like heart beat.

However speaking to others in the astral world is not that easy, because sometimes you are in a totally different dimension to those other persons and they cannot hear you. Sometimes they cannot even see you.

A few nights ago I was on an astral train with two other persons, friends of mine. We were on an astral train on the astral side of the island of Trinidad. One of these friends stepped off the train and when he did he was shocked by an astral current. The train pulled away. I tried to alert others to what happened but everyone else in the train except my other friend ignored us.

I then realized right away that all the other persons were in a different dimension. We could see them but they could not see us. It was like a one way mirror where persons in a room can see through the glass into the other room while the others cannot see into the first room.

So in the astral world do not think that if you see someone they can see you. More than likely they cannot. There are so many dimensions and sub-dimensions in the astral world that it is almost like a series of illusions. These are actual realms but they are flimsy and they cross over into one another in weird ways that are beyond the control of the astral projectors for the most part.

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Darren wrote:

So all this 'investigative' work is futile?  You (Michael) would suggest that it is better just to hang tight and take in the surroundings?  If I can help it, should i try to strike up a conversation with other entities or just leave it?

MiBeloved's Response:

Astral conversations will occur of their own accord, if you just relax a little. In fact many astral conversations take place by direct transmission of the original information, rather than by speech conversion and the transmission. Most of the astral communication does not have the speech conversion bit in it. In other words if mentally I think of a mango in the physical world, my mind must first convert that mental concept into speech, in English, Chinese or whatever. Then that mental speech is converted into a physical sound. That sound is then transmitted in the air vocally. Then someone hears it aurally. It is then reconverted into a concept in the mind of the hearer. Then the hearer gets the correct or incorrect idea about it.

But in the astral world what happens is that the first concept is transmitted instantly into the mind of the hearer and there may be no conversation process taking place. But if you go into the astral existence with usual physical process, then you will stunt your development there.

What is an astral entity? Actually even persons who are using physical bodies are astral entities. The only difference between a person who uses a physical body and a person who uses an astral form only, is that the physical entity has both physical and astral presence while the astral one has only an astral register.

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Darren wrote:

Recently I found myself in a large mansion with very dense energy, I believe in the lower astrals.  A woman there tried to give me money - I believe to try and keep me there.  I found it difficult to wake up on the physical side after that experience.  Is it best not to accept gifts from other entities?

MiBeloved's Response:

Difficult in coming back from an astral dimension is rarely due to somebody holding you over on the astral side. They can hold you there but for how long? Suppose I capture you in an astral world, how long do you think I can hold you there?

Like in this life right now you are captured on the physical side and you are thinking that you are a free man with liberty and all that good stuff that people have in developed countries but actually you are captured here but how long will it last?

100 years? 10 more years? Jimi Hendrix was captured here and then he is no longer here. He got used to it and made do with it taking LSD and other drugs. He even became famous while in captivity here. He did not like this place, the establishment, the way governments are run and so on. He wanted to be free. But still he became famous and then didn’t mind being here. But how long did it last?

So the idea that someone will capture you in the astral world is a valid one but only in terms of how much time it will be. Usually as long as you have a living physical body a person can only capture your astral form for a short time during the sleeping repose of the physical body. Since the life force remains in the physical form, it acts as an anchor point and it will pull your subtle body back into the physical form even if it is captured in some realm. The life force which remains in the physical form has that authority. It is not up to you or up to the person who wants to keep you in a subtle realm.

It is after the life force is forced to abandon its shelter in the physical body, that you are open to being kept in an astral realm.

If however someone offers you something in the astral world, it is best not to take it if you have the power to refuse it. Sometimes one does not have that power so in that case the idea of refusal is irrelevant.

In terms of having difficulty waking up, please give more information on this, on exactly what the difficulty was. For instance did you get back into the physical body and could not cause it to rise or could not move the limbs of it, or use the functions of it? Did you not get back to the physical body at all?

In many cases getting back to the physical body is not controlled by the person who is taking your attention in the astral world but the condition of the life force, regarding the lack of energy of the life force. One of the reasons why yogis do pranayama practice before practicing meditation or even higher practice as samadhi is to super-energize the kundalini before departure from physical consciousness. That causes the life force not to be de-energized. Life force is like a battery system. If it has a low charge, if it is run down, then it will operate the equipment very slowly if at all.

Anyway give some clarity on what exactly happened.

Darren 6 years ago

Michael wrote:

Why speak to your physical body? When the astral body separates from the physical one, the entity that used the physical body becomes transferred into the astral one and there is no one left in the physical body to answer questions.

Darren's Reply:

Ah yes I recognise this.  Again I think the reasons for this stem from my desire to learn something directly from the experience and since my physical body was the only thing of interest in the room I experimented by trying to ask it questions.  I suppose that by getting no response this clearly verified to me that the life force had indeed left the physical body.  I can no longer be in doubt of that.

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Michael wrote:

In terms of having difficulty waking up, please give more information on this, on exactly what the difficulty was. For instance did you get back into the physical body and could not cause it to rise or could not move the limbs of it, or use the functions of it? Did you not get back to the physical body at all?

Anyway give some clarity on what exactly happened.

Darren's Reply:

On this occasion it was definitely because the subtle body had a low charge.  I didn't feel captured by anyone in the astral dimension, rather I had much difficulty controlling my movement and felt weighted down trying to wade through dense energy.  At this point I was uncomfortable and wanted to wake up on the physical side but the crossover was a sluggish one and when I finally got back into the physical in my bed I still had a momentary paralysis of the body and had to work somewhat to sync my subtle and physical form.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Darren wrote:

Ah yes I recognize this. Again I think the reasons for this stem from my desire to learn something directly from the experience and since my physical body was the only thing of interest in the room I experimented by trying to ask it questions. I suppose that by getting no response this clearly verified to me that the life force had indeed left the physical body. I can no longer be in doubt of that.

MiBeloved's Response:

Let me clarify that if I gave the wrong impression. The life force is the psychic principle which is left behind in a living physical body when the astral form has separated out of the physical system.

If the life force leaves a body, that body is dead, even in the self in that body still desires to use that body. The principle around which the embryo is formed is the life force primarily.  It is the life force that keeps the body alive, processes breath and food, heals the body and keeps it going until it dies.

The life force does not leave the body during an astral projection and if it did then we would say that the person died in their sleep.

So I want to clarify this.

People tell fantastic things about the self, as if it is such a glorious thing but one aspect which is not its glory is the aspect of maintaining a physical body. It just does not know how to do that. That is done by the life force. So let us give credit where credit is due. What the self can do is to facilitate the life force so that it can do its job in the most efficient way but the day to day maintenance of cells of the body is a job for the life force only. In this respect the spiritual self is an ignoramus.

Evolutionary intelligence and its application for survival of a life form is a property of the life force not of the spirit but the spirit learns indirectly by observing the functions of the life force.

The self has no idea of how this body is created. That is done by the life force and the subtle material nature which is responsive to it. The self is involved but only as a power or energy supplier.

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Darren wrote:

On this occasion it was definitely because the subtle body had a low charge. I didn't feel captured by anyone in the astral dimension, rather I had much difficulty controlling my movement and felt weighted down trying to wade through dense energy. At this point I was uncomfortable and wanted to wake up on the physical side but the crossover was a sluggish one and when I finally got back into the physical in my bed I still had a momentary paralysis of the body and had to work somewhat sync my subtle and physical form.

MiBeloved's Response:

This is correct. If the life force is hurting for energy, it will transmit to the astral form a low energy charge when that form separates during an astral projection. The result of that will be felt by the person on the astral side as having little energy, feeling a sort of astral pain when moving around. Sometimes the astral body is somewhere and when you try to move it you cannot and it feels that to lift the astral arm, you are lifting an elephant and just can’t do it.

Also in some cases the low charge will cause the astral body to go down to hellish or horror-filled astral levels and you will try to escape and find that you cannot or you will escape and find yourself back in the physical body gasping for breath or in a cold sweat or with a fast-beating heart.

Another thing that happens which you mentioned was the paralysis of the physical body, where you are back in it, you are awake but you cannot operate it and get up as usual. When you try to lift the physical arm or leg to get up, it does not move and you feel constrained and odd. In these conditions you may be able to manipulate the breath, by holding the breath in and if you can hold it long enough, the astral body will jerk itself back into the physical one and synchronize. Sometimes though when you do this, they will fuse back together for a few moments and then you will find that they unsynchronize again. After a time however both bodies will synchronize and you will get up.

People who use opiates and cocaine may not realize that the drug is both a physical and astral substance. Subsequently they might experience sleep paralysis and other inconveniences because the life force is affected by the drug and cannot maintain the body properly due to the influence of the drug.

Darren 6 years ago

Yes I understand.  Thank You once again for the clarification.