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Alfredo 3 years ago

This is the cosmology proposed by Mirra Alfassa, the Mother of the Sri Aurobindo ashram.

I have asked Michael about what they defined as the Mental Plane and he equates that with the higher astral, being the "vital" the lower astral.

Jettins 3 years ago

Seeing this reminds me I’ve been closed off to a lot of good info. I think I am finally ready to really understand some of this chart.  I am going to require the entire download on this one. Which is the book that specifically talks and categories all these states? I need to learn every possible angle to these two charts. This is a good topic for the live chat as well.

“Pure White” hmm, this reminded me of the ancient being that I saw a few weeks ago. It looked as if spray painted all in white! Not what I would expect. Maybe this ancient being was from this realm. I called it "

Encountering Ancient Being - Astral Mission "Is it even possible to see one of these beings while in a medium to medium high astral level? I’ve seen a Gold one also. She had an elite vibe to her indeed. Maybe I should write on more interesting stuff. Lately I’ve been talking much about the lower astral stuff. I do this because I don’t want people getting stuck there.

Marcia Beloved 3 years ago

Does anyone know about Babaji's body of light?

I've heard that he appears here and there in his light body (not in a physical body).

I figured that a spiritual "body of light" would be totally different than a normal subtle body such as my own.

There must be a certain infusion from the highest zones, to get a body of light which is all spiritual or which does not have any affinity to the material energies.

As far as Anandamayi Ma, who is to say if she was totally purified?

I am full of doubt but I also am not willing to say that Hamsa Yogi did not see her as a spiritual body of light either.

I just thought this was relevant to the discussion of becoming a body of light in terms of enlightenment.

MiBeloved 3 years ago

Regarding seeing bodies of light, there is an essential rule which should always be kept in mind. It is this:

You cannot see on any higher level unless you have perception on that plane of existence.

This means that the important thing when seeing some apparition is to realize that during the vision (darshan) you are using a body which is on the same level as the apparition.

For instance Arjuna saw the Universal Form because he was relocated to that level. It is impossible to see on a higher level just because the deity or guru is on that level. You cannot see any deity or guru on any higher level unless you are taken to that level or unless your subtle body is upgraded to that level. It may be temporary but it has to happen or you cannot perceive it.

The universal form presently exists right now and we cannot see it. Arjuna could not see it at the time when he asked for a repeat apparition in the Anu Gita even though it existed then just the same.

This means again that it is not the deity or guru which you should be attentive to but the level of consciousness of the person who is allowed to see that deity or guru.

Again when Krishna first displayed the form, there was an oversight in Krishna because Arjuna had to bring it to Krishna’s attention that even though the form was displayed, Arjuna did not see it.

It was then that Krishna energized Arjuna’s subtle body to the level on which the form existed and Arjuna saw the form.

Again in the same chapter of the Gita, Arjuna could not see the four-handed Narayana God form of Krishna, He begged Krishna to please let him see that but this does not mean that Krishna let Arjuna see that higher existence. It means that Krishna energized Arjuna to the spiritual level where that form is always in manifestation.

It is very important to get this through your head, otherwise you will keep on with various superstitions about the apparitions.

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Regarding Babaji he uses a sunlight body form. Jesus Christ also uses a similar sunlight body form. This means that their forms are such that it is made out of sunlight just as our physical bodies are made out of material elements from the earth.

Babaji does not appear here and there. Most of the talk about that is by people who do not understand anything about these forms. In the first place if Babaji was standing right in front of you, you would not see him and that would be an appearance. Therefore it is not his appearance which is the issue. It is your subtle body’s perception of him.

Suppose a blind man began to think of the appearance of the sun. How would that be?

So the sun is always in the sky. It does not appear now and then. It is always visible. The changes are not in the sun but in the blind man. If he suddenly has vision he will see the sun and then what should he say that the sun appeared to him.

So when someone sees Babaji, if that is actually a fact, then it means that somehow by deliberate action or by a fluke, that person’s subtle body was energized to the same plane in which Babaji exist and so the person saw Babaji.

Babaji is not appearing and disappearing as is something portrayed even by Kriya teachers. What is happening is that some yogi or a student of a yogi might suddenly find himself or herself in an energized subtle body which on that level can see Babaji.

When Krishna refused to give Arjuna a repeat of the Bhagavad Gita experience, Krishna said that he would not do that again because that was something special. The special thing about it is that he had to uplift Arjuna’s subtle body and He was unwilling to do that again.

After this Arjuna followed behind his eldest brother Yudhishthira who did austerities at the end of his life for the purpose of elevating the subtle form. In fact it is said that Yudhishthira was translated directly into the level of the Swarga heavenly world by the effort of his yoga practice at the end of life, meaning that his subtle body was already on that level before he passed from the physical form.

Even so, because of some flaws during his life, his subtle body temporarily sunk down to a lower astral place for a short time immediately after he left the physical body. So this means that it is the status of the subtle body which causes a person to see someone else in a light body. It is not the light body of the god, saint or yogi which causes the vision. It is the condition of the student or devotee.

Jettins 3 years ago

In one occasion I made a hole in the stomach area of my astral body as a test to show someone our non-physical state. Then bright light started coming out of it. Another time I nearly ripped off the outer layer of my astral body and light emitted from within. Another time I ripped off the tip of my finger to use it as a flash light but it didn’t work, no light.

Most of the times that I’ve done stunts like this there is no light just invisible space. But I do know there is light sometimes. I can’t predict when there would be light inside in advance while in the astral, I can’t scale this yet. I am talking about “body of light” in the literal sense, as seen on the astral. I don’t know about it in regards to enlightenment.