Continued from above…

Asanas, Mudras and Bandhas - Awakening Ecstatic Kundalini By Yogani

Being a little bit familiar with yoga for fitness for about  2 years  I thought maybe I could do a less intense yoga the way I was supposed to be, so I did the recommended practice for 3 days and it became a serious boost to my natural OBE abilities. I actually stopped because it was too much of a boost as strange as that might sound. I had the most intense vibration OBEs in those days, in one then my lower back nearly snaps or at least it felt like it would.  So I know there is something to what you write about in the other sections of the forum. There is also a recliner that I stopped using last year, because experiences started getting too vivid and intense. I lowered the intensity by using the bed, a little bit less awareness but this is still good enough.  I will build back to the recliner and yoga practice of sorts.

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MiBeloved wrote:

These boys disappeared for a whole year and they did not even know that their existence was suspended like that. Can you imagine that?

Jettins' reply:

I think this probably happens all the time. Horrible. You've been through much more than I have, so go ahead and always be open to share your views even if you think I might have a different take on it.  It could always be something that I might not have realized yet, but I will do this slowly to experience it myself. I have many experiences that point that I should trust my intuition. I will tip the scale to my advantage if I do this.

You have no idea how many similarities from the stories of the books you quote I've experienced in one way or another. There's also other things I might have discovered that I haven't read about it yet, or maybe it's just another perspective. Either way it's pretty neat, wouldn't you agree?

Jettins 6 years ago

Alreado,

I think knowledge of one’s psyche is extremely essential to have wisdom in the Astral Realms. Understanding of the topography of the Astral Realm is also required, I wouldn't recommend any complicated thoughts for the simple minded.

And by the way, repeating what someone else wrote is not knowledge, or wisdom, it's just repetition. Personal insight and reflection from experience needs to go in parallel.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Alreado's query:

I have a question for you...How do you know that Srila Yogeshwarananda, Tibeti, and other masters and Yogis that you contact and get instruction from are the real thing and not an Asura from the vital/astral plane masking as the Divine?

MiBeloved's Response:

I know because of my intuition which I have tested and calibrated and also because of the course charted in the Gita in chapter two for buddhi yoga and the ashtanga yoga process of which Patanjali gave the curriculum.

The other test for me is if my subtle perception is increasing and my decisions in life are adding more and more to more clarity and advancement.

Of course all of that is subjective, many skeptics will say. But they can all go to hell because they are not as desperate as I am. When you are desperate you are not concerned to distrust a guide. At that stage you take a risk and if it is a con, then you accept that and learn from it and move on. A desperate person has no cowardice and does not hesitate because there is a risk of being conned.

Suppose it is a con, then I will gain by learning the hard way. If I do not have an accurate sense of judgment and do have a misleading intuition or subjective sense of judgment, then how else would I learn except through making mistakes?

Yogeshwarananda is a father to me, spiritually a father, so like that the relationship is like between a father and son. So why trust the father. The guy might be a rip off but since nature placed him there as your physical predecessor you have to have faith in him even if he is drunk. Tibeti was referred to me by Srila Yogeshwarananda so on that faith, I accept him.

Take a look at two books which were dictated into my head by Babaji and by Siddha Swami Nityananda. These books are Kriya Yoga Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Yoga Bhagavad Gita. So from those books you will get some idea of the sort of astral association I am having. I was in Sheffield, England some years ago when that Brahma Yoga book was dictated. Out of the blues while I was visiting an uncle there, this happened. I never met Nityananda while he was physically present. And in fact I do not know if he wrote any books.

So by following their process which they dictated, I made progress. I spent some years calibrating and testing my intuition by carefully taking notes and then practicing what it said on those notes, and then testing to see if there was any result.

So it is like that mantra thing in India, where some guru gives a mantra and says that it will do this or that and if it does not work, the person can face up to that and realize that something is amiss. In the same way I have tested what I get astrally over years by taking meticulous notes.

But the punch line is that I don’t give a damn. I am a desperate person and when the Titanic is sinking you don’t care about danger. If the captain says jump, you jump or like those people who were on those very high floors when the planes crashed into the World Trade Center, they jumped even though it was obvious that they were jumping to their doom. So I have jumped off and I don’t care where it leads me. If it is a flop then that is my benefit too. If I do not have the intelligence to know the different between asuras (demons/criminal astral being, devils) and divine beings, then O boy, this is surely the way to learn about it.

MiBeloved 6 years ago

Jettins' query:

Is there a particular reason you’re driving at why telepathic is better than with imaginary lips? (Not really imaginary, but I say Imaginary because the subtle body can change forms)

MiBeloved's Response:

The reason is that the communication which is not translated in the mind into language is the purest form of the expression. It gives the most accurate transmission. It is happening but one misses it if one has the language circuit in prominence.

In the divine world there is language but the conversion of it has no distortion. In the astral worlds which you are frequenting however there is some distortion. The main thing is that the subtle body should be set in such a way that it uses the direct expression transfer which is originally formed in the mind and not its language conversion.

If language happens it is okay but it should be subsidiary and not primary.

There is a time delay between the original expression and the conversion in the mind of that in language but that conversion occurs at rapid speed. Sometime in the future you may develop a super rapid psychic camera which can capture the whole thing in slow motion.

Some astral beings have minds which are engineered to hold back and not to release the original expression and only to release the language conversion but these entities are not divine being or very advanced yogis.

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Yogani, the author of the book at the link, is very versed in many of the yogic procedures.

Jettins 6 years ago

MiBeloved wrote:

If I do not have the intelligence to know the difference between asuras (demons/criminal astral being, devils) and divine beings, then O boy, this is surely the way to learn about it.

Jettins' reply:

Nice post. Or in other words, don't do anything that you cannot regret later. In the process of doing so we learn. Fear unknowingly being dump by the psyche is probably the number one reason one becomes a target it appears to me. Fear also makes it more difficult to discern what is good/bad in the realms. To confuse things even more, something positive can also appear negative.

Like in real life, the more you live and experience the better you can know if it will be a good association for you. But we are always learning, mistakes will happen, hopefully less mistakes the more we learn.

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MiBeloved wrote:

The reason is that the communication which is not translated in the mind into language is the purest form of the expression.

In the astral worlds which you are frequenting however there is some distortion. The main thing is that the subtle body should be set in such a way that it uses the direct expression transfer which is originally formed in the mind and not its language conversion.

a super rapid psychic camera which can capture the whole thing in slow motion.

Jettins' reply:

Yes, this is very true. There is some distortion in my experiences sometimes. I have a theory on the causes on why distortions happen, but I need to review my recordings on it. The reason is more purpose driven than practical driven. I will explain when I get to it later.  Telepathic communication would indeed avoid distortions.  Similar to Robert Monroe’s R.O.T.E. I had completely forgotten about this indeed! Wow, thanks so much for mentioning it.

R.O.T.E. Stands for Related Organized Thought Energy which is transferred from one soul to another. Robert A. Monroe, founder of the Monroe Institute experienced what he called Non-Verbal Communication where another being would give to him a packaged thought ball. I think I can send thoughts telepathically to beings and communicate to some of them this way as of now. But as to the more complex thought balls I cannot. Some time ago I had attempted to pack these thought balls, but instead functioned more like FART balls. Nothing happened, except for a little smoke like orb that bounced of people, haha. I knew wasn’t doing it right.  I am an Adept at this compared to most people, but I am really just a gifted newbie.  I would like 20 more years in the Astral Realms that would be something indeed.

There have been I think 2 experiences where I was given the description of a R.O.T.E, yes I describe then in my experiences, I should find it and listen to them. Mr. Monroe played around in the astral realms for about 40 years. He wrote a very interesting trilogy, you should read them just for the fun of it. But I won’t start with the minion, advanced, dominant, final and simultaneous incarnations talk here, (that's the occult part that didn't make it to the trilogy).  It takes into account the inclinations of personalities and such, but I won’t get into that in this forum as it can be a kind of paradigm buster not for you Michael, but for some. Could risk getting suspended from the site and be labeled a misguided occultist like Alfredo pretty much did earlier, hehe, j/k. Sorry for my silliness today, but I am happy because I know you just caused a new shift in my experiences.

There is something else that is hidden and not talked about when initiating telepathic communication. I’ve never seen it in forums. Is that it causes the breakdown of forms to reveal their true source.  I thought it was about triggering wonderment/desire to understand. But I missed something, I just realized, it wasn’t that, I was opening a telepathic channel that would render the masquerade invalid, thereby breaking it down, a link to interesting knowledge. This always happened in silence, there where clues all along. Yes, I will shut the hell up in my experiences if I have the lucidity level to do so and start communicating telepathically. This shall be very interesting indeed. Have a great day!

By the way, does anyone else other than Michael find interesting reading about the intricacies of this?

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To Alfredo:

I'd knew you'd say that. You didn't understand my comment. I would rather you have your own insights on the issue then comment, instead of blindly quoting things as gospel. There's many good texts out there you see, each saying something different. I am dismissing it less than you realize, as I confront these issues in the realms. I love reading because there are things that can be learned, but I love even more when people conclude from personal insight and reflection, even if limited. And quotes used as support, like Michael does, which is great.. If we don't do this, we are just fooling ourselves, and unknowingly dumping fear of the unknown into the psyche. Probably the one the reason Forms of negativity become attached to you in the realms.

But anyway, I see your point too. Quoting can be easier than writing if it's good source. It's not personal Alfredo, it's just that I've come across too many people that quote things they believe, but really do not Know things. Why they believe, why they are inclined to believe it, and what it does to the psyche. There is a complexity to reality, expect the same in the Realms.

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MiBeloved wrote:

But be careful not to become a slave to them, and make them into the means to an end, for then the fall may be loud and grand.

Jettins' reply:

Thanks for the thoughts I will keep that in mind. For example if I were to attempt to gain the skill to help some in the Realms break free from psychological dysfunctional self created realities, those the most in need. And in the physical reality releasing a free e-book version for people to read about it. Would that mean to an end be predictive of a loud and grand fall for example? I am not sure your philosophy on this.

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MiBeloved wrote:

"The fall may come when the means to an end is other than the Divine"

Jettins' reply:

Does one have to realize or Know that it is divine, or can it be divine with one not even realizing it? Or is it possible to be in a divine path and one only realizing it until later?

I think the answer is that it's a possibility, but not necessarily certain. I really just want to learn how to help others, in the process maybe I can help myself.

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MiBeloved wrote:

If the person is on the planet physically you can call the person or send an email but what do you do if the person is disembodied?

Jettins' reply:

I have a theory on this, purpose, intention and emotion creating the state of readiness for an encounter to manifest.  In the other side, it's not a time driven dimension, such as physical reality. It is a state of readiness driven dimension, where time is used only to reach and perceive new state of readiness. Non-linear experiences and permanent disjointed states of being can be derived form this idea.

It is why a disembodied being can open a channel to communicate 2 months after their death to THEIR perception of time for example, and the receiver accessing the telepathic link receives it when 6 years later or when he/she becomes ready. Yet the experience between them appears to be in real-time. State of readiness driven. Ghosts and all. There is also the time dilatation property of consciousness, or when the perception of time merges creating a special event for you.